[ANNOUNCE] Umbra role-playing game 0.2 pre-alpha

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On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 12:24:44 -0500 (CDT), Chris Watson <chris at voodooland.net> wrote:
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>> As another poster said, with freedom comes responsibility. *grins* Since
>> "your side" seems so fond of talking about the "Real World" what would
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>Alot of you need to go consult webster on what freedom really means. Not
>youre interpretation of freedom.
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>> should feel ashamed about squealing when somebody gets sick of it and
>> organizes a freer and cheaper alternative, now shouldn't they? Seems to
>> me that most software companies got TOO good at making money. The way I
>> see it, there should be a natural balance between the best interests of
>> business, and the best interests of the customer, which is what the Open
>> Source community seems to be drifting towards.
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>Wow too good at making money, god forbid. If the GPL were to suceed and
>dominate software the world would grind to a halt. No money would be make.
>Money is what makes the world go round. The GPL does not put food on my
>table, or pay my bills. No one makes money on it. Anyone who says that is
>lying. You cant make money on things you give away freely. It is being
>proven time and time again by linux companies. They are ALL going belly
>up. There isnt one that is healthy. It is just a matter of time before
>the insane VC funding dries up and these companies have to either fold or
>change business models to something that MAKES money. Mark my words there
>wont be a linux company left if they dont start grasping the reality of
>the GPL and change courses.
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>> "In the beginning there was only One Software. But immediately this One
>> became Two, Commercial and Open Source, which soon became Four: GPL,
>> LGPL, Proprietary and ShareWare. These four elements formed and split
>> and reformed again. And out of this chaos formed a Stone Egg. Warmed by
>> GPL, cooled by Proprietary, nourished by LGPL and ShareWare, from this
>> egg hatched a stone Monkey, and it's nature was ... IRRREPRESSIBLE."
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>BSD was around way before the FSF and the GPL. Thank god.
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>> use it? Would it exist if Guido hadn't had an idea to create a better,
>> more explicit language. If he and the other workhorses behind the
>> interpreter want to GPL it *shrugs*. It's not as if they're demanding
>> you GPL your scripts, now is it?
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>AFAIK I think guido is fed the he** up with the FSF and their idiocy. Im
>glad! I would of told them to go stuff themselves eons ago. If they are so
>concerned about Free software they should endorse the BSDL and stop their
>socialist agenda to destroy capitolism.
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>> "We wanna use your cool free GPL source in our commercial software, but
>> if you want it back, we wanna make you pay for it."
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>No you twink. You people really need to lower your intake of recreational
>drugs. NOTHING HAPPENS TO THE ORIGINAL COPY OF foo.c 1.0 THAT WAS RELEASED
>UNDER THE GPL. This MORONIC equation that somehow if a company uses a copy
>of your original source release it magically dissapears and the only one
>holding a copy is the company is BS! And no one with even a slight brain
>cell believes it. Im not even going to argue this moronic point anymore.

I think what he meant was that since authors of gpl software offer their
software for free, it's fair for them not to have to pay for software
that was built upon their free software. I.e. imagine that you write a
50,000 line program, and offer it for free download at your site. Someone
takes it and adds 500 lines of useful code to it but asks you for $500
in order to use the resulting program. Isn't it fair for you to ask in
the copyright that he makes the code built upon your free software to
also be free? I think this is both fair and logical and not 'vile'.

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>> Well I kind of like the idea that, as Python has been community written,
>> nobody can take that code away from the community behind some closed
>> source license. Maybe a GPL isn't required, but I'd still like to see a
>> LGPL applied to python.
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>See above! Id rather see it BSDL'ed and be free source.
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	Andrei