[Visualpython-users] New Windows VPython
ajs at ix.netcom.com
Tue Dec 25 11:49:53 CET 2001
> Bruce writes -
> I will attempt to say nothing more about any of this.
Which I guess gives me the last word.
No I don't have any *proof* that the issue in the classroom
is not as you analyze. It does seem that you somehow *knew*
it was going to be *the* issue, and that the classroom experience
you report is only confirming your own foresight.
I was a Python and programming beginner not very
long ago, so *I* know perhaps better than
you what were the significant issues and what
were the minor issues in getting up to speed.
Do you have a basis to tell me that my own real lived
experience was not lived, not accurately reported,
or that besides being the crankiest of bastards, I
am somehow outside the norm.
You refuse to address, among other things, the fact that VPython
is distributed with Numeric, and that you *cannot* expect your
students to use it without disaster if they are not introduced
to its typing and numerical coercian rules - a discussion in
which the old div operator behavior is given context. From there
on - one would think - its their *job* to keep it straight, and
simply a few of the many of the things I expect you would
expect them to keep straight in the course of a course.
For the record:
>From my perspective the issue here is not the div operator
change, and , never has been. It is about science, about evidence
and the reporting of evidence, and about common sense.
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