storing passwords

[Andrew MacIntyre]

On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Neil Schemenauer wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 10:08:52PM +0200, Moshe Zadka wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 Andrew MacIntyre <andymac at bullseye.apana.org.au> wrote:
> >
> > > I wrote a simple module that stores the account,password pair as an XOR
> > > "masked" string in a dbm file with the hostname as the key.  The module is
> > > only published (put in the PYTHONPATH) as a .pyc/.pyo, so the full source
> > > is not generally readable.
> > >
> > > This is only obscurity however, not real security.
> >
> > And not even good obscurity! .pyc files are actually quite readable
> > if you use the dis module, and I think Mr. Aycock wrote a decompyler.
> > Don't use security through obscurity, please!
>
> There's no excuse either:
>
>     import sha
>     def hash_password(password):
>         """Apply a one way hash function to the users password and
>         return the result"""
>         return sha.new(password).hexdigest()
>
>     def valid_password(self, password, hash):
>         "Return true if the provided password is correct"
>         return (hash == hash_password(password))
>
> Its easy to add some "salt" to the hash too if your worried about
> dictionary based attacks.

In the application I had, I needed the password in raw form (it was for an
account on a different system) so a hash was no good.

Everything that has been said about security vs obsurity I agree with, but
sometimes circumstances force you to take an approach you'd rather not.
In the particular circumstances at the time, the risk assessment was that
the solution I used was tolerable in view of there being no alternative
solution (organisational politics were the difficulty, not
technicalities).

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