PEP0238 lament

John W. Baxter jwbaxter at
Sun Jul 22 23:39:32 EDT 2001

In article <mailman.995826216.11537.python-list at>, Tim Peters
< at> wrote:

> Not all experienced programmers agree.  At the last Python Conference, I
> moderated a 40-some person group discussion on conceivable changes to
> Python's numeric model, not advocating but keeping the participants from
> killing each other <wink>.  The meaning of integer division wasn't the
> focus, but naturally came up.  By show of hands, about 3/4ths of the
> participants agreed that 3/4 should not return 0, but rather *something* x
> such that x*4 had a better chance of being confused with 3 than with 0.
> There was no consensus on exactly what 3/4 should return -- rational or HW
> float or decimal float were the most popular alternatives.

I see a fairly strong argument there for starting out with a language
in which int / int --> float (or rational) and int // int --> int (or
int div int --> int).

I don't see it as a strong enough argument to overcome the fact that
the careful programmer will have to inspect every / in all the code,
before installing 2.3 or whatever version this happens in, to see
whether (a) it IS division, as opposed to the / in 
'<a href="6/7.html">'  (that's contrived...but possible) and if so
whether it has to be respelt as // (or div).  

Some of them will; some won't:  some of both outcomes indicate latent
errors in the code, so the inspection isn't completely wasted after

And it may not be her code...she could be 3 or 4 people removed from
the creator, who is gone.  [Another good thing about finding the latent

It's true--as stated elsewhere--that Guido hears all the complaints. 
It's also true that until recently there was no reason for Guido to
hear "Guido, thank you for defining int / int to be integer division,
because integer division is natural for my problem space."  So he's
been getting a biased sample.  Probably a fairly representative one
even so.


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