The Ideals of a Python Hacker (was: Poll Results)
katz at Glue.umd.edu
Fri Nov 30 07:10:44 CET 2001
On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Jonathan Gardner wrote:
> Interesting... how does Python and veganism go together? Isn't veganism just
> about taking care of the animals and your body? What does Python care about
> the animals or your body?
Well I feel that the common theme among all these ideas is control. I
want more control than the average Joe over things like how I speak
(Esperanto can be quite expressive), program (python), compute (GPL), and
eat (that's why I'm vegan). Moreover, Python, Esperanto, GPL and Veganism
(imho) are all particularly *effective* solutions to their respective
problems. They're elegant, consistent and simple in philosophy. That's
about it. That makes sense to me; and to paraphrase your words, I tend to
"go with what works" for me :). I'll stop ranting now (otherwise, too many
people start cracking vegetarian jokes and miss the point -- really, how
long till someone here'll crack a joke... come on guys, don't keep me
waiting, you know you're out there).
> Python and Esperanto: Esperanto was invented for being a useful, simple
> language that could be learned by almost any culture.
> It tried to limit the
> number of expressions for a single idea, making it difficult to express
> things that may not be understood or misunderstood.
I would phrase it like this: Esperanto tries to make it easier to express
ideas which are hard to express in other languages. But there /are/
indeed different ways of expressing the same idea.
And why should Python be any different?? Sure there is only one way to
open a file (open()) and (up until recently, borkborkbork>>) one way
to write to a file. BUT the fact that we can express a convolution
integrals in a myriad of ways should be proof enough that even though
syntax is singular, the expression of the idea is indeed plural.
> Python. English and Perl (TMTOWTDI), and Esperanto and Python.
oh definately, I agree 100% on that.
> They'd have to be. I can't seem to find a place to get paid to work in Python
> yet. I can't imagine a guy with 3 kids trying to make a living by programming
> python unless he is the rare guy that has a job in it.
hey, Google offers jobs for Python programmers on Linux
> Reminds me of the Perl community at first. They were all young, once. Young
> rebels, challenging the C/awk/sed paradigm. Young rebels, willing to write a
> bit of glue code in a young language developed by a young sysadmin...
> Now some of them look like they are advancing in years, and the Perl
> community is almost as mainstream as it gets in programming fads.
well they got lax imho. Two many bolted on features, just like Python a
year from now if everyone and their dog has their way (borkborkbork>>).
obnoxious Computer Engineering junior
University of Maryland @ College Park,
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