Could Python supplant Java?

Nick Ruisi n_ruisi at softhome.net
Thu Aug 22 12:58:13 CEST 2002


.net compiled code can run on linux with the mono CLR 
(http://www.go-mono.com). One can use the mono tool kit to write / 
compile .Net code on a linux box, without ever touching a microsoft 
product.  The compiler and SDK for C# and VB.Net is a free (albeit 
large) download. Although I don't like VB.Net as a language, C# is fine. 
It's just like java.


Rex Ballard wrote:

> netvegetable wrote:
> 
> 
>>Not offering any personal opinion on this conjecture, but a lot of
>>people are saying that java has failed to become a widely accepted
>>cross platform language for applications.
>>
> 
> Java is still quite popular, and has established a pretty 
> substantial market share.  Microsoft is fighting Java and trying to 
> Undermine Java 2 by bundling an older version of Microsoft's 
> insecure JVM, but getting JRE is very easy, and even JDK is pretty 
> easy to get if you want it.  And since JDK 1.3 have some execellent 
> IDEs available, on both Linux and Windows, it's pretty easy to 
> implement applications that work on Both Linux and Windows.
> 
> 
>>These leaves the world defenseless against the Microsoft Borg.
>>
> 
> PLEASE!!!  - Microsoft has no really good general purpose scripting 
> languages, and no low-cost development languages.  PERL, PYTHON, 
> JAVA, and TCL can all be downloaded for free.  Microsoft obviously 
> doesn't pay $4 billion/year to promote these Open Source based 
> languages which can create products and projects that can run on 
> both Linux and Windows.
> 
> Of COURSE Microsoft is going to spend their $Billions promoting C# 
> and Visual Basic, which run Exclusively on Windows and do not 
> support comprehensive implementations on Linux.
> 
> Of course, if you want some heavy-duty portability, you have 
> cygwin, which give you the ability to run Linux programs on 
> Windows, including Windows NT, 2000, and XP.  Cygwin isn't as 
> secure, stable, and fast as Linux (after all you are ultimately 
> dependent on Windows infrastructure), but it's a nice way to make 
> the transition.
> 
> 
>>But could Python do the trick? The python interpreter is smaller
>>than the JRE, and it's certainly a nicely structured language,
>>with nearly all the coding features of Java.
>>
> 
> Unfortunately, Python, PERL, TCL/TK, Ruby, and the other fine 
> languages all have to be loaded AFTER the machines are shipped. 
> Obviously, it would be nice if OEMs could install PERL, Java 2, 
> Python, and others as part of their OEM installation, when it can 
> be put on the master disk.  It would cost nothing, or extremely 
> little, and would provide new capabilities not currently available 
> to Windows.  It would also make hundreds of applications available 
> as well.
> 
> Unfortunately, Microsoft has insisted on complete control of the 
> preinstalled suite and is doing everything they possibly can to 
> maintain that control despite the unanimous ruling of the Appeals 
> court full panel that such exclusion of competitors is explicitly 
> illegal.
> 
> Sun is likely to be the strongest candidate to be prepared to fight 
> this or have Microsoft cited for contempt.  Sun could offer Java 
> JRE and/or JDK, Star Office, and other applications which could be 
> installed by OEMs for prices that are very competitive with 
> Microsoft's office, JDK, and IE/VBScript.
> 
> Red Hat could also press for the inclusion of Cygwin, in this case 
> possibly even at no cost to OEMs.  Corporate customers could also 
> begin using Cygwin - including Python, Perl, and TCL/TK.
> 
> These are "first steps" - steps that would create an application 
> base that could lead to a marketplace in which both Windows and 
> Linux compete in an open and equally accessible market.
> 
> For this reason, Microsoft will do everything it can to fight this 
> technology, since it cannot be controlled.  Microsoft has even 
> tried to force Corporations to agree to NOT use Open Source 
> technology such as Python on their Windows desktops.  The DOJ has 
> ignored this, the Courts have ignored this, and Microsoft has tried 
> to divert attention by releasing a support pack that allows users 
> to choose which web browser they want to use.
> 
> As long as Microsoft controls access to the OEM distribution 
> channel, and has the ability to control what OS, Applications, and 
> systems can be installed on PCs, they will do everything in their 
> power to "Lock out" any technology which can be supported by both 
> Linux and Windows.
> 
> 
>>--
>>netvegetable at excite.com
>>
> 



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