openprojects python room is ruled by dangerous people

[Glyph Lefkowitz]

On Mon, 08 Jul 2002 13:22:16 -0700, Erik Max Francis <max at alcyone.com> wrote:
> Gerhard Häring wrote:

> > Their twisted worldview? You can safely ignore twisted, if you're not into
> > network programming. At least I do and I still feel safe, despite not
> > agreeing with dash and moshez on everything :-) And I don't think anybody
> > gets kicked there unless (s)he's trolling repeatedly.

Well, "safety" is always relative. I hope you remembered to wear your tinfoil
hat!  ;-)

> My impression is that they are a bunch of very young, very idealistic, very
> naive folks, most of which who aren't even old enough to be doing programming
> professionally and so have a very limited worldview, who are very eager to
> prove to the world how smart they are, usually

On the contrary, I think it's a spirited discussion group with a lot of
different viewpoints represented.  Some of those viewpoints have rather vocal
advocates :-), however, I've never seen anyone kicked for their opinion, only
their attitude.

> by getting into pointless quibbling arguments boiling down to, "If you don't
> agree with me, you're wrong."

See the previous poster's comment about "doing your homework".  I have seen
some people with little or no knowledge of a topic get quite apoplectic that
their ideas are dismissed simply because their debate partner has heard those
exact same (wrong) points at least a hundred times in the past.

I sadly don't have the time to devote to both #twisted and #python any more,
but I still drop by for the occasional Python-related question and to catch up
with the regulars.  It's a fun group, and I encourage python-list members to
drop by and say hello!  (Of course, don't forget to stop by #twisted as
well... ^_^)

The Wiki has a good advertisement which summarizes things nicely:

    http://twistedmatrix.com/users/jh.twistd/python/moin.cgi/PoundPythonAdvertisement

Be sure to note point 2.6...

> The point at which I actually saw them kick and ban someone for asking about
> someone else's car is when I realized that I had been wasting my time.  I
> enjoyed helping newbies with their Python questions, but dealing with the
> overinflated egos of these kids was like constant fingernails on a
> chalkboard.

Aah, I remember this incident quite well.  I assure you that there was a reason
for that, and the car comment was merely the straw that broke the camel's back.
It's far from the average day in #python when something like that happens.

I would like to respond to the ageist, patronizing tone of this message, and
let the enduring and superior maturity of the poster (who was, if I recall
correctly, banned under the pseudonym "xihr" for spreading exactly this kind of
FUD) speak for itself:

    http://www.alcyone.com/xihr/

arrr-I'm-a-pirate-ly y'rs,

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 |   < _/ >   |  Lead Developer,  the Twisted project  |
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