Is there a "reset" in Idle?

Dale Strickland-Clark dale at
Fri Oct 11 17:37:09 CEST 2002

Michael Hudson <mwh at> wrote:

>Dale Strickland-Clark <dale at> writes:
>> If I had any influence in the development of Python as a whole, I'd
>> urge the developers to divert their attention away from sexy new
>> language features and concentrate for a couple of releases on
>> addressing shotcomings that shag the IDEs.
>A couple of points: 
>  1) what shortcomings are these?

Only a few but critical to the re-usability of the debugging
environment. I don't remember the technical details but I'm sure
Google will find the issues if you're really interested.

>  2) this isn't how OS development works, and you surely know this.
Who mentioned OSes? I don't understand the relevence of this.

>The only people paid to work on Python are at PythonLabs, who are paid
>by ZC, who in turn probably don't have an overriding interest in
>interactive debugging.  Everyone else works on Python because it's fun
>and to scratch an itch, basically.  If you try to make us do what you
>want rather than what we want, we stop.

I'm aware of this. However, surely some of the enjoyment comes from
knowing others are using your efforts? Can you imagine the boost
Python would get in the programming comminity if a killer IDE appeared
on the scene?  

>OTOH, if you can come up with concrete suggestions, I'm all ears.

Suggestion: Address the problem in Python that prevents IDEs from
reloading modules and re-using a debuggin environment.
Dale Strickland-Clark
Riverhall Systems Ltd

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