idea for a much needed application

mike henley rsrchstr at msn.com
Mon Sep 30 21:33:50 CEST 2002


Dear Sir

With all due and deserved respect, I really don't know why you insist on
arguing over this. I said my point was not about tim burners-lee, not about
economics or politics, and yet you insist on discussing them.
As for IRC; i have used IRC for several years, and AIM is not the only thing
i ever used. Yes, I believe IRC compared to modern instant messaging is a
messy medium, and perhaps a dying one even, and i'm not the only one who
believes so. Several years ago, IRC was lively and interesting, nowadays,
not many people go there. There are too many networks, many servers on the
same network don't communicate with each other, net splits are common
occurence, lags happen from time to time, servers come and go like the
passing wind, here today gone tomorrow, some may let you access, some may
not... etc. There are good reasons why modern instant messaging is easier
and more popular.
However, that's not my point, and anyway, it really don't matter now, i
found a webhost, but thanks a lot for your comments and replies, much
appreciated, honestly.

"TGOS" <tgos at invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:38:51 +0100 "mike henley" <rsrchstr at msn.com>
> wrote in comp.lang.java.programmer:
>
>  <snip>
>
> > that's the whole idea of giving a personal webserver "presence", so that
> > others don't have to "go there and wait in my channel till i log on".
>
> And how does it work when you use AIM? They connect to the AIM server
> and wait till you log on. So where's the difference? Where is the
> difference whether they are running a tiny AIM client, that constantly
> monitors the AIM network, to detect when you connect to AIM, compared to
> a small IRC client, the permanently monitors a channel (in an IRC
> network) to detect when you connect to IRC? There is no difference at
> all.
>
> Except that the IRC client supports bots and they can even make a bot
> that will automatically open the browser and go to your page when you
> log on, while this is not possible in AIM.
>
> > Also, i want to be able to give a simple AOL or MSN username to
> > anyone without assuming they can write specific scripts.
>
> They don't have to write a script, YOU must write a script. They can
> install pre-written scripts for mIRC, for example, that will notify them
> once a certain user joins the channel (these already exist hundreds of
> times) - or maybe meanwhile mIRC already has this ability hard-coded,
> who knows.
>
> However, they can write a script, which gives much more power any stupid
> AIM client will ever give them. E.g. they can write a script that
> monitors for your presence and at the very second you log in, it will
> immediately resume a download, that was stopped because you logged off
> last time.
>
> If you are unhappy with the abilities of existing IRC software, write
> your own client for users (if you think you can convince them to use
> it). It doesn't even have to "present" IRC to them, IOW, they may not
> even know that they are connected to an IRC network (not chat window or
> anything). The program just sits in the background and when it detects
> that you log into the IRC channel, it will open a window:
>
> User "mike" just went online, _click here_ to visit his/her page.
>
> And if they click there, they are taken to your page.
> Your "address" would then include the information:
>
> IRC server, channel, nickname
>
> And you could choose the format yourself, if you wrote the client
> yourself, the user would input something like:
>
> irc.service.org:dyndns:mike
>
> The channel dyndns could then be also used by your friends. E.g. if the
> user enters:
>
> irc.service.org:dyndns:pete
>
> into the client, and pete goes online, the client window will say:
>
> User "pete" just went online, _click here_ to visit his/her page.
>
> Every user can add as many "watch addresses" into his client as he
> likes. Maybe this will be a completely new task for IRC, nobody has
> considered so far. You just have to write such a client, if you are
> unhappy with the existing clients.
>
> > IRC is a messy medium.
>
> IRC is no messy medium. Methinks it's above your horizon, as you never
> dealt with anything but AIM so far.
>
> --
> TGOS





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