web programming: experiences with non-zope frameworks?

[Brendan O'Connor]

Hello world,

I love python and desparately want to get away from php for programming a
web app.  I've read numerous summaries of the toolkits out there --
especially the shootout, http://colorstudy.com/docs/shootout.html -- but
there are SO many frameworks, it really feels like there's no clear-cut
choice for an appserver-based or even mod_python-based framework, and very
few judgement calls on what differentiates toolkits from each other.

I was wondering if anyone would like to share their experiences with the
various frameworks in non-zope land.  WebWare and SkunkWeb both look
quite good to me; sqlobject was mentioned earlier here, and looks
intuitive and quite useful.  Spyce looks like a good templating system.
But so does skunkweb's stml, and then there's a zillion more of them...

Can anyone make comparisons among the different frameworks?  What
combinations of packages do people use?  Are *any* of them substantially
more popular than any other?

I think it would be nice to have not another list of several dozen one-man
projects, but rather a collection of practical knowledge to narrow a
python web programmer's options to the realistic and mature choices.

If I can't find any clarity, I'm gonna be consigned to php hell for a long
time coming...

Thanks a lot!
Brendan O'Connor

Links:
http://webware.sf.net
http://skunkweb.sourceforge.net/
http://www.sqlobject.org

Summaries:
    http://colorstudy.com/docs/shootout.html
    http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/WebProgramming