does lack of type declarations make Python unsafe?

Gary Duncan gmduncan at netspace.net.au
Mon Jun 16 16:53:56 CEST 2003


Alex Martelli wrote:

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> 
>>>Calling functions with invalid arguments is one of the commonest
>>>programming errors
>>
>>Debatable.  Not true in my experience.
>
I suspect this assertion relates to juxtaposing args, not so
much the values thereof. Obviously passing bad values to a function
is a crime we have all committed - at least it's one I admit to ;)

In the pre-ANSI-C days, I did this occasionally - and even thereafter
coz if multiple args had the same type (int?), the function definition
wouldn't help if one put the args out of order.

> 
> Pretty true in my own experience, for a suitably generalized definition

See above.

- Gary (definitely a proponent of dynamism )



> of "functions" that includes operators and other callables.  However,
> the reasons the arguments are "invalid" are more often connected to the
> *values* that those arguments take at runtime, rather than to the types

Hmm, I'll have to think about that ;)

> of those arguments (which might be checkable at compile time if one
> used a statically-typed language), therefore this is not an argument
> in favour of static type-checking.  E.g., indexing blah[bloh] with an
> invalid index value computed in variable bloh (invalid with respect
> to the set of indices that container blah can accept) is, alas, far
> from rare; but it's not a type-checking issue, and rarely will a
> compiler be able to deduce reliably that the value of bloh as run-time
> computed is going to be invalid.  Thus, runtime checks are needed here
> (Java does them, Python does them, C++ may or may not do them) -- AND
> unit-tests that you can trust to tickle any bugs that might be there...
> 
> 
> 
> Alex
> 





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