OT: Recommended Linux Laptops, suppliers?
LogiplexSoftware at earthlink.net
Tue Mar 18 00:46:15 CET 2003
On Sat, 2003-03-08 at 14:51, Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters wrote:
> |I'm looking to buy a notebook/laptop. I would like to run Linux on it. I
> |don't want to buy a notebook with Windows installed. I don't want to pay for
> |that OS since I'm just going to discard it.
> |Apple's are pretty much out of the price range
> Someone else mentioned the discussion on /., which indeed pretty much
> covered all angles. The jist of it seems to be that you are stuck with
> the Microsoft-tax, in practical terms. You can buy a Windows-free
> laptop, but at a price that is several hundred more than a similar
> configuration with Windows included (i.e. from a bigger maker). Even
> some of the "Windows-free" sellers actually pay the Windows license,
> then just remove the software before selling it to you.
> Monopolies suck!
Indeed. However, I'm surprised to hear that Dell isn't shipping
Linux-only laptops. They certainly were for desktops (at least at one
time). How about IBM? I understand they've certified Linux for every
system they make, so I'd think a Windows-free system would be easy to
obtain from them.
> I would recommend thinking about Apples again, though. Their laptops
> really are NOT much more expensive, and for certain features they are
> your cheapest option. The absolute cheapest Wintel machine is cheaper
> than an iBook, but that PC is much heavier and has a shorter battery
> life. And the cheapest Wintel might not have built-in ethernet, modem,
> CD-RW, nor have as bright a screen.
Have to disagree here. Intel boxes, whether laptop or desktop tend to
be far cheaper than Apple products. I have a catalog in hand at the
moment (Global Computer) which features a Systemax 2GHz Celeron, 15" TFT
display, 128MB DDR, 20GB HDD, modem, NIC, and WinXP for $899. Compare
that to the "cheapest" iBook you bought in the next paragraph. A
similarly configured iBook or PowerBook (*if* they had one at 2GHz)
would cost well over $2000.
Granted, this is a no-name laptop, but I haven't owned a name-brand PC
in years so I don't consider that a problem (and if the name were HP I'd
consider it a plus).
> Valuing weight and battery life highly, I bought an iBook 12" last
> summer for $1000 (just after my 500Mhz was superceded by the next speed
> jump). That's the cheapest--in retrospect I wish I had spent a little
> more for DVD/CD-RW, 14" screen, and mostly I wish my machine had come
> with Jaguar (MacOSX 10.2) since there is no cheap upgrade. I'll
> probably upgrade soon to a somewhat faster machine with the newer OS,
> bigger screen, and better CD drive, for less than $2000. Prices
> continue to fall, in spurts.
> I am happy enough with MacOSX, and its Unix roots. But there are
> several good Linux distributions available for PPC if you want that.
Does OSX use X11? I ssh'd to my gf's school where they've got OSX and
it didn't seem like it. If not, that would be a sad decision. I know
you *can* run X on OSX, but I'm not sure if Aqua runs on it or is
independent of it. Just curious.
Cliff Wells, Software Engineer
Logiplex Corporation (www.logiplex.net)
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