wxPython and macros (was: Why don't people like lisp?

[Kenny Tilton]

Kenny Tilton wrote:
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> Pascal Costanza wrote:
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>> Brian Kelley wrote:
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>>> Kenny Tilton wrote:
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>>>> mike420 at ziplip.com wrote:
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>>>>> Conclusion: you don't need macros here.
>>>>> Moral: maybe you do not *deserve* macros.
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>>>> They are unworthy? :)
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>>>> You know, I'll say it again, considering the audience (Pythonistas 
>>>> debating amongst themselves whether to have macros) Lispniks should 
>>>> have emphasized from the get-go that one of the things macros do is 
>>>> clean up code visually (as demonstrated above). 
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>>> could be solved with macros in a perhaps clean fashion.  Naturally, 
>>> you don't *need* them, but they do reduce book-keeping and visual 
>>> clutter in my opinion.
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>> Yes, exactly! :)
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> And to think someone said I do not know anything about marketing? 

An emailer just asked if my objective was to market Lisp or macros. The 
answer is macros. The whole thread (even The Fat Five Hundred) has seen 
Lispniks speaking up in defense of macros in the abstract. I cannot 
speak for others, but my feeling is: it would be a shame for Pythonistas 
to miss out on something good for the wrong reasons.

btw, regarding my use of the M word, marketing can be evil (witness Joe 
Camel) but in the general case it is just about communicating 
effectively by considering the listener.

btw^2, anything a Lispnik says that makes macros happen in Python is bad 
for Lisp, because then there is one less (huge) reason to check out 
Lisp. we need folks to help develop more libraries and Pythonistas are 
good at that. (Lispniks just sit around and moan on NGs.) So...hmmm...

   MACROS SUCK!

:)

kenny

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