language/distro preferences

Josh Close narshe at gmail.com
Sun Aug 1 23:01:03 CEST 2004


Yes, PHP is very annoying that way.

-Josh

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:42:45 +0200, Pierre-Frédéric Caillaud
<peufeu at free.fr> wrote:
> 
>         I use Gentoo. Their portage system is really, really good. Being able to
> download and install programs and all their dependencies, using my
> compilation options... that makes life so much simpler...
> 
>         And about PHP, I hate it. The language is so weak. Nothing is OO. The
> libraries are inconsistentand everything is in a big mess, due to the
> absence of namespaces.
> 
>         I guess this is best illustrated by the following example :
> 
>         Python #1:
>         if char in string:
>                 do stuff
> 
>         if item in array:
>                 do stuff
> 
>         Python #2:
>         print mystuff.getsomestuff().getsomeattribute().getname().capitalize()
> 
>         PHP #1:
>         Um, which of the 50 string functions should I use ? (lookup help).
>         Um, I don't remember, should I put the haystack or the needle first ? It
> depends on which function you choose.
>         Um, does it return false, O, -1, or null on failure ? (It depends on
> which function you choose)
>         Um, what's the function name for an array ? is it find_array or
> array_find or in_array or array_has_key ? mmm... what if the key is a
> string... is it a different function... mmm
> 
>         PHP #2 :
>         $temp = $mystuff->getsomestuff();
>         $temp = $temp->getsomeattribute();
>         echo strtocap or somthing( $temp->getname(); )
> 
>         You get it ?
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:15:14 -0500, Josh Close <narshe at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I saw a question in a PHP list about the differences between php and
> > perl, and what the advantages between the two are, but I think I was
> > the only person that mentioned anything about python in the
> > discussion.
> >
> > This makes me wonder what the python group things about these other
> > languages.
> >
> > Python vs. Perl. vs. PHP vs. C# (and other .NET languages) vs. Java
> > vs. C vs. C++ vs. whatever other language you can think of.
> >
> > I think python is the king of command line. It's way faster than PHP.
> > It's OO and has exceptions which perl doesn't, and PHP supports very
> > poorly.
> >
> > I won't touch Perl with a 10 ft. pole anymore. No need.
> >
> > PHP I still use for web. Mod_python isn't the easiest language to
> > write fast web pages in.
> >
> > I think Java is just terrible. Very very slow. It has a nice size
> > library, but I really don't care :P.
> >
> > C and C++ are cool, but take a lot longer to develop in.
> >
> > I actually like C# quite a bit. I think it's good for windows use and
> > asp.net. I've seen all the ranting about how much everyone hate's it,
> > so I won't say any more.
> >
> > This brings up the question about linux distributions. Which one and
> > why? I use Gentoo and I think there is nothing better. It's way more
> > configurable than any other distro. Portage is by far the best package
> > management system out there. Gentoo makes administration life so much
> > easier. When I've used redhat in the past (not by choice), I've had to
> > install most programs by hand because I either couldn't find a stupid
> > rpm for it, or there wasn't a new enough version rpm available. Yes,
> > they install instantly, but they are not as up to date or
> > configurable. I've used suse a little and didn't like it. If I were to
> > try any other distro, it would probably be linux from scratch. Gentoo
> > has made my life so much better. I could go on and on..... but I
> > won't.
> >
> > Just curious what the python world uses and why.
> >
> > -Josh
> 
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