language/distro preferences

Pierre-Frédéric Caillaud peufeu at
Sun Aug 1 13:42:45 CEST 2004

	I use Gentoo. Their portage system is really, really good. Being able to  
download and install programs and all their dependencies, using my  
compilation options... that makes life so much simpler...

	And about PHP, I hate it. The language is so weak. Nothing is OO. The  
libraries are inconsistentand everything is in a big mess, due to the  
absence of namespaces.

	I guess this is best illustrated by the following example :

	Python #1:
	if char in string:
		do stuff

	if item in array:
		do stuff

	Python #2:
	print mystuff.getsomestuff().getsomeattribute().getname().capitalize()

	PHP #1:
	Um, which of the 50 string functions should I use ? (lookup help).
	Um, I don't remember, should I put the haystack or the needle first ? It  
depends on which function you choose.
	Um, does it return false, O, -1, or null on failure ? (It depends on  
which function you choose)
	Um, what's the function name for an array ? is it find_array or  
array_find or in_array or array_has_key ? mmm... what if the key is a  
string... is it a different function... mmm

	PHP #2 :
	$temp = $mystuff->getsomestuff();
	$temp = $temp->getsomeattribute();
	echo strtocap or somthing( $temp->getname(); )

	You get it ?

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:15:14 -0500, Josh Close <narshe at> wrote:

> I saw a question in a PHP list about the differences between php and
> perl, and what the advantages between the two are, but I think I was
> the only person that mentioned anything about python in the
> discussion.
> This makes me wonder what the python group things about these other  
> languages.
> Python vs. Perl. vs. PHP vs. C# (and other .NET languages) vs. Java
> vs. C vs. C++ vs. whatever other language you can think of.
> I think python is the king of command line. It's way faster than PHP.
> It's OO and has exceptions which perl doesn't, and PHP supports very
> poorly.
> I won't touch Perl with a 10 ft. pole anymore. No need.
> PHP I still use for web. Mod_python isn't the easiest language to
> write fast web pages in.
> I think Java is just terrible. Very very slow. It has a nice size
> library, but I really don't care :P.
> C and C++ are cool, but take a lot longer to develop in.
> I actually like C# quite a bit. I think it's good for windows use and
> I've seen all the ranting about how much everyone hate's it,
> so I won't say any more.
> This brings up the question about linux distributions. Which one and
> why? I use Gentoo and I think there is nothing better. It's way more
> configurable than any other distro. Portage is by far the best package
> management system out there. Gentoo makes administration life so much
> easier. When I've used redhat in the past (not by choice), I've had to
> install most programs by hand because I either couldn't find a stupid
> rpm for it, or there wasn't a new enough version rpm available. Yes,
> they install instantly, but they are not as up to date or
> configurable. I've used suse a little and didn't like it. If I were to
> try any other distro, it would probably be linux from scratch. Gentoo
> has made my life so much better. I could go on and on..... but I
> won't.
> Just curious what the python world uses and why.
> -Josh

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