Jp Calderone exarkun at divmod.com
Sat Dec 4 17:17:06 CET 2004

On 3 Dec 2004 22:02:51 -0800, Mir Nazim <mirnazim at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am a PHP developer and in trying to get a better tool for developing
> web apps, I have been strugling with zope for past few months and
> still could not get anything useful work up and going. I really felt
> that "Z" shaped learning curve. Yesterday I was looking at quixote. I
> was surprized how simple it is. I think quiote gives the power without
> getting into the way. And in just a few hours I had quite a good
> understanding of framework and actually got something up and working
> (http://www.quixote.ca/learn/1). I feel  quixote is the simplest way
> to develop powerful web apps. I needed a simple and powerfull web
> framework to develop web apps that are NOT content oriented and where
> mostly GUI clients have ruled. And I think quixote is just the tool
> for me.
> I also came across nevow. Its is also good, rather very good.
> Especially Live Page is really cool idea. It really help separate
> logic and presentation and is simpler than MVC thing that I could
> never get a nack of.
> Now I have three questions:
> Q1) Is it possibe to use "Nevow + LivePage + Quixote" together in a
> web app. Live Page is really important for me as I am not into content
> oriented web apps.
> Q2) Is is nessary that LivePage only with Twisted or can work with any
> web server like Apache.

  I haven't used LivePage myself, but someone in the know tells me 
that LivePage requires an extra, non-HTTP connection to operate, so
will pretty much only work with Twisted.

> Q3) I cannot understand how to get quixote up and working under Apache
> using mod_python, FastCGI, SCGI (I have used only mod_php). A link to
> a tutorial will be good.
> I saw a paper A. M. Kuchling (http://www.amk.ca/talks/quixote/) that
> said that nevow can be used with quixote but it did not mention
> anything of LivePage.
> Please provide comments, Pros and Cons of the aproach. Links to
> relevent articles and tutorials are really appreciated
> Thanks in advance.

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