lies about OOP

Steve Holden steve at
Tue Dec 14 20:13:17 CET 2004

Paul McGuire wrote:

> "Steve Holden" <steve at> wrote in message
> news:29Evd.32591$Jk5.26287 at lakeread01...
[some stuff]
> Good points all.  And yes, I recall the BYTE article on Smalltalk.  I guess
> I was just reacting mostly to the OP's statement that "by '86 the Joy of OOP
> was widely known".  He didn't say "OOP all began when..." or "OOP was widely
> known," which I think still would have been a stretch - he implied that by
> '86 OOP was widely recognized as Goodness, to which I disagree.  This was
> the year of the first OOPSLA conference, but as PyCon people know, just
> having a conference doesn't guarantee that a technology is widely and
> joyfully accepted.  Just as my commercial-centric view may understate
> academic interest in some topics, an academic-centric view may overestimate
> the impact of topics that are ripe for research, or technically "cool," but
> little understood or adopted outside of a university setting.
> I would characterize the 80's as the transitional decade from structured
> programming (which really started to hit its stride when Djikstra published
> "Use of GOTO Considered Harmful") to OOP, and that OOP wasn't really
> "joyful" until the early-to-mid 90's.
> (And I apologize for characterizing Smalltalk as a "curiosity."  I admit my
> bias is for software that is widely commercially deployed, and even the most
> ardent Smalltalkers will have difficulty citing more than a handful of
> applications, compared to C,C++,VB,COBOL,Delphi, etc.  I personally have
> seen Smalltalk-based factory control and automation systems, but they are
> rapidly self-marginalizing, and new customers are extremely reluctant to
> enfold Smalltalk into an already patchwork mix of technologies, as is
> typically found in factory settings.)

Nothing to disagree with here.

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