Newbie's rant's and question :) (long post)

Terry Reedy tjreedy at udel.edu
Fri May 21 13:57:56 EDT 2004


"Hendy Teguh" <google.2.hteguh at spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:1e6f6533.0405201134.138b752c at posting.google.com...
> Hello,
>
> first, a little warning, may contain negative comments,

If something is so negative as to really need a warning, perhaps a rewrite
is in order.

> my humble opinion, please consider it as a curious comments, not
> flaming or trolling

Perhaps half the people who say "I am not a troll" are (a troll), like the
home-improvement salesperson who came by my house a week ago looking for
someone who could be conned into signing for a 40% premium without getting
competitive bids ;-).  So maybe better to just ask your questions and leave
the subject alone.

 (there're tendency i read on newsgroup (especially
> linux newsgroups), that newbie's opinion are often considered
> trolling, especially from diehard fans :P ).

Trolling is a type of fishing with a moving, typically spinning, lure.  A
troll is a (mythical) humanoid underground wanderer.  (Both from the same
root.)  A newsgroup troll (not mythical) fishes for controversy and
emotional reaction, with purposes that lie underneath surface appearances.
Sometimes the difference between that and honest questioning and
opinionating is rather subtle, especially to those less experienced with
newsgroups and the particular language.  There are some over-reactions, but
folks here on c.l.py are pretty tolerant and slow to accuse.

> And  also since english
> is not my native language, please forgive my bad english.

Python's community, founded by a Dutchman, is quite international, with
numerous people posting in English as a second (or third, or whatever)
language.  Your 'bad english' is no worse than that of some Americans and
without your 'apology', I might not have noticed it as non-native.

> Ok, a little background.

This was quite helpful for understanding what followed.

> After searching around, i finally decided to learn wxPython.

wxPython, like many things built on top of Python, is otherwise an
independent project with its own website (on SourceForge) and mailing list.
If you continue with it, intermediate to advanced questions are better
posted to its lists.

> language). In other word, somehow python is 'teethless' in doing
> something 'powerful' by itself IMHO.

The fact that saber-toothed cats had fewer teeth than crocodiles hardly
made them toothless.  Two of Python's 'big teeth' are, in my opinion, the
builtin list and dict types.

Terry J. Reedy









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