Xah Lee's Unixism

[jmfbahciv at aol.com]

In article <1s4ihc.4i4.ln at via.reistad.priv.no>,
   Morten Reistad <firstname at lastname.pr1v.n0> wrote:
>In article <413c5b9c$0$19705$61fed72c at news.rcn.com>,
> <jmfbahciv at aol.com> wrote:
>>In article <rv1hhc.mtv2.ln at via.reistad.priv.no>,
>>   Morten Reistad <firstname at lastname.pr1v.n0> wrote:
>>>In article <413af268$0$19706$61fed72c at news.rcn.com>,
>>> <jmfbahciv at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>In article <20040904.2231.57679snz at dsl.co.uk>,
>>>>   bhk at dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly}) wrote:
>>>>>On Thursday, in article
>>>>>     <41371e5c$0$19723$61fed72c at news.rcn.com> jmfbahciv at aol.com
>>>>>     wrote:
>
>>>VMS was too early, and was made too politically correct.
>>>
>>>TCP/IP was NOT politically correct until around 1996 or so. 
>>>TPTB wanted OSI, GOSIP/Decnet Phase 5 and all that crud, until we
>>>Internet people hammered them. 
>>>
>>>>>Indeed, it took many years before DEC [sorry, by then it was already
>>>>>d|i|g|i|t|a|l] had a TCP/IP stack available for VMS --- the dreaded 
heap
>>>>>of quivering jelly created by the Eunice idiots.
>>>>>
>>>>>Before that, people who needed TCP/IP on a Vax used various 
third-party
>>>>>solutions, such as the implementations from Carnegie-Mellon (CMU) 
>>>>
>>>>Sigh!  If CMU had it, I would have assumed it got hornshoed into
>>>>VMS.
>>>
>>>Wrong mindset. TCP/IP was never a DEC invention, much less a D I G I T A 
L 
>>>one. 
>>
>>It didn't have to be a DEC invention.  If it was CMU, we got it
>>shoved down our throats and up our asses.  However, I see
>>that the dates explain why TCP/IP didn't get into VMS.  
>>Apparently the protocol got good after Gordon Bell left DEC.
>
>1995 was the year everyone and Bill Gates discovered the Internet
>existed; and wanted in on the deal. Suddenly everyone needed Internet
>solutions. 

I knew the Internet existed when I started reading the ads in the
WSJ and they had this strange arrangement of characters that 
began with www.  At first, there were only a few.  _One_ year
later there were  lot.  Less than two years later, everybody had
one.  I watch ads to foretell trends.

>
>>Since TCP/IP was in the 90s, I couldn't have heard about it
>>over the wall (I think I stopped working in 1987).  I could
>>swear that cybercurd meant something.
>>
>>ISTR, the -20 types yakking about it.
>
>TCP/IP was launched in 1982, and the Internet (or the Arpanet, rather)
>converted Jan 1st 1983; with final NCP service turned off everywhere
>by mid march 1983.

Aha!  Whew!  Then my memory isn't completely gone.  If it was
launched in 1982, then they had to have been yakking about it
in 1980 and 1981. 
>
>Tops20 has an IP package; but it was pretty rudimentary in version 4, 
>and not quite complete even by those standards even in version 7.

Version 4 and version 7 were way after 1980.

/BAH

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