Guido at Google

[casioculture at gmail.com]

Ilias Lazaridis wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
> > Yeah... we recognize that we could certainly open-source more of our
> > software. While we've released some stuff
> > (code.google.com/projects.html), there is a LOT more that we want to
>
> http://code.google.com/projects.html
>
> > do. Getting engineers' 20% time to do that has been difficult.
> > Thankfully, we know how to fix that and got the okay/headcount to make
> > it happen. (IOW, it isn't a lack of desire, but making it happen)
>
> When a company like Google open's sources, this means simply nothing
> more than:
>
>   - the software is not critical to their business (e.g. core-software)
>   - the internal resources cannot ensure further development
>
> See IBM, SUN and others, which have done the same thing.
>
> > But even if we haven't been able to open-source as much code as we'd
> > like, we *have* been trying to be very supportive of the community.
> > Between the Summer of Code and direct cash contributions, we've
> > provided a LOT of support to a large number of open source
> > organizations.
>
> I hope that you invest some time to _organize_ the Open Source Projects.
>
> Starting with Python and it's project-structure (e.g. build-process) and
> documentation (e.g. ensuring standard-terminology is kept, like "class")
>
> e.g.: where can I find an UML diagramm of the Python Object Model?
>
> Even Ruby has one:
>
> http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/ruby/TheRubyObjectModel.png
>
> -
>
> > And we have a couple other ideas on how to help the open source
> > community. We're working on it!
>
> The open-source-community can help Google, too!
>
> E.g.:  Google needs an public Issue-Tracking-System.
>
> I needed around 30 emails and 2 months until google-groups-support
> removed a bug which broke(!) existent links to google archives. (cannot
> find the topic. Simply search your support-archives to see the desaster).
>
> With publicity, the team would have removed the bug within one week.
>
> > Cheers,
> > -g
>
> And finally:
>
> If Mr. van Rossum is now at Google, and Python is essentially a Mr. van
> Rossum based product, then most possibly the evolution-speed of Python
> will decrease even more (Google will implement things needed by Google -
> van Rossum will follow, so simple).
>
> I mean, when will this language finally become a _really_ fully
> Object-Oriented one, with a clean reflective Meta-Model?
>
> Thus I can see Python pass this this _simple_ evaluation (which it does
> not pass in its current implementation):
>
> http://lazaridis.com/case/lang/python.html
>
> -
>
> I have around one year to await.
>
> Will see.
>
> .
>
> --
> http://lazaridis.com

Hi there, I wonder what comments you would have about XOTCL, or other
OO extensions for tcl, like snit, and dozens more. I looked at the
various scripting languages available to me and decided to go with tcl
as it seemed the most versatile. I can't find it on your page though.
Regards.