Which kid's beginners programming - Python or Forth?

[Roy Smith]

"Adriaan Renting" <renting at astron.nl> wrote:
> In addition, for and while loops are pretty universally found in all
> program languages. It is therefore an essential part of material
> supposed to teach programming.

And, even if they're not called "for" or "while" (they might be "do", 
"foreach", "repeat...until", etc), the basic idea of a looping construct 
which defines how many times an enclosed group of statements will be 
executed is absolutely universal.  I can't think of a language from 
assembler to HyperCard that doesn't have a version of the "for" loop.