Using non-ascii symbols
steve at REMOVETHIScyber.com.au
Tue Jan 24 06:56:01 EST 2006
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 04:09:00 +0100, Christoph Zwerschke wrote:
> On the page http://wiki.python.org/moin/Python3%2e0Suggestions
> I noticed an interesting suggestion:
> "These operators ≤ ≥ ≠ should be added to the language having the
> following meaning:
> <= >= !=
> this should improve readibility (and make language more accessible to
> This should be an evolution similar to the digraphe and trigraph
> (digramme et trigramme) from C and C++ languages."
> How do people on this group feel about this suggestion?
> The symbols above are not even latin-1, you need utf-8.
> (There are not many usefuls symbols in latin-1. Maybe one could use ×
> for cartesian products...)
Or for multiplication :-)
> And while they are better readable, they are not better typable (at
> least with most current editors).
> Is this idea absurd or will one day our children think that restricting
> to 7-bit ascii was absurd?
> Are there similar attempts in other languages? I can only think of APL,
> but that was a long time ago.
My earliest programming was on (classic) Macintosh, which supported a
number of special characters including ≤ ≥ ≠ with the obvious
meanings. They were easy to enter too: the Mac keyboard had (has?) an
option key, and holding the option key down while typing a character would
enter a special character. E.g. option-s gave Greek sigma, option-p gave
pi, option-less-than gave ≤, and so forth. Much easier than trying to
memorize character codes.
I greatly miss the Mac's ease of entering special characters, and I miss
the ability to use proper mathematical symbols for (e.g.) pi, not equal,
and so forth.
> Once you open your mind for using non-ascii symbols, I'm sure one can
> find a bunch of useful applications. Variable names could be allowed to
> be non-ascii, as in XML. Think class names in Arabian... Or you could
> use Greek letters if you run out of one-letter variable names, just as
> Mathematicians do. Would this be desirable or rather a horror scenario?
I think the use of digraphs like != for not equal is a poor substitute for
a real not-equal symbol. I think the reliance of 7-bit ASCII is horrible
and primitive, but without easier, more intuitive ways of entering
non-ASCII characters, and better support for displaying non-ASCII
characters in the console, I can't see this suggestion going anywhere.
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