In article <1136233246.640261.77260 at g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Dustan <DustanGroups at gmail.com> wrote: >BTW, experience tells me it is necessary for me to explicitly state >that I'm a newbie (otherwise I get rude people saying I should already >know such-and-such). > That experience generalize poorly to comp.lang.python.