What is a type error?

David Hopwood david.nospam.hopwood at blueyonder.co.uk
Tue Jun 27 00:40:10 CEST 2006


Pascal Costanza wrote:
> David Hopwood wrote:
>> Pascal Costanza wrote:
>>> Chris Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> While this effort to salvage the term "type error" in dynamic
>>>> languages is interesting, I fear it will fail.  Either we'll all have
>>>> to admit that "type" in the dynamic sense is a psychological concept
>>>> with no precise technical definition (as was at least hinted by
>>>> Anton's post earlier, whether intentionally or not) or someone is
>>>> going to have to propose a technical meaning that makes sense,
>>>> independently of what is meant by "type" in a static system.
>>>
>>> What about this: You get a type error when the program attempts to
>>> invoke an operation on values that are not appropriate for this
>>> operation.
>>>
>>> Examples: adding numbers to strings; determining the string-length of a
>>> number; applying a function on the wrong number of parameters; applying
>>> a non-function; accessing an array with out-of-bound indexes; etc.
>>
>> This makes essentially all run-time errors (including assertion failures,
>> etc.) "type errors". It is neither consistent with, nor any improvement
>> on, the existing vaguely defined usage.
> 
> Nope. This is again a matter of getting the levels right.
> 
> Consider division by zero: appropriate arguments for division are
> numbers, including the zero. The dynamic type check will typically not
> check whether the second argument is zero, but will count on the fact
> that the processor will raise an exception one level deeper.

That is an implementation detail. I don't see its relevance to the above
argument at all.

> This is maybe better understandable in user-level code. Consider the
> following class definition:
> 
> class Person {
>   String name;
>   int age;
> 
>   void buyPorn() {
>    if (< this.age 18) throw new AgeRestrictionException();
>    ...
>   }
> }
> 
> The message p.buyPorn() is a perfectly valid message send and will pass
> both static and dynamic type tests (given p is of type Person in the
> static case). However, you will still get a runtime error.

Your definition above was "You get a type error when the program attempts
to invoke an operation on values that are not appropriate for this operation."

this.age, when less than 18, is a value that is inappropriate for the buyPorn()
operation, and so this satisfies your definition of a type error. My point was
that it's difficult to see any kind of program error that would *not* satisfy
this definition.

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David Hopwood <david.nospam.hopwood at blueyonder.co.uk>



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