So what exactly is a complex number?
jergosh at wp.pl
Thu Sep 6 11:50:37 CEST 2007
>> In fact, a proper vector in physics has 4 features: point of
>> application, magnitude, direction and sense.
> No -- a vector has the properties "magnitude" and direction.
> Although not everything that has magnitude and direction is a
> It's very unusual to have a fixed point of application as a vector's
> property (at least I haven't seen it so far). That would complicate
> equality tests.
Interesting. It appears that we are ran into a mathematical cultural
difference. Were I come from vectors *are* defined as having four
properties that I enumerated. After some research I found that English
sources (Wikipedia) indeed give the definition you supplied. In my old
mechanics textbook (which is in English) vectors are divided into
'fixed' (having a clearly defined point of application), 'sliding'
(p.o.a. can be moved along a line) and 'free' (those not associated with
a unique line in space).
However, given the following problem: (assuming 2-d Cartesian coordinate
system and gravity acting 'downwards') "There are 3 point masses: 2 kg
at (0, 0), 1 kg at (5, 4) and 4 kg at (2, 2). The acting forces are
given as vectors: [2, 2] [1, 1]. Find the trajectories of all point
masses." how would you propose to solve it without knowing where the
forces are applied?
>> In case of a vector in two dimensions (a special case, which you
>> also fail to stress not to mention that you were talking about
>> space) the magnitude and sense can be described by one number
> Actually, the "magnitude" and "sense" you use here are redundant.
> What's the difference between a vector with magnitude "1" and
> sense "-", and magnitude "-1" and sense "+"?
Again, I think we were given different definitions. Mine states that
direction is 'the line on which the vector lies', sense is the 'arrow'
and magnitude is the 'length' (thus non-negative). The definition is
separate from mathematical description (which can be '[1 1] applied at
(0, 0)' or 'sqrt(2) at 45 deg applied at (0, 0)' or any other that is
>> and the direction as another.
> Represent the direction as one number? Only in a one-dimensional
No. In one-dimensional 'space' direction is a ± quantity (a 'sense'). In
2-d it can be given as an angle.
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