Why does python not have a mechanism for data hiding?

Patrick Mullen saluk64007 at gmail.com
Tue Jun 10 20:56:05 CEST 2008


Hi Russ,

Here are just some pragmatic considerations.  Personally I am against data
hiding, but I obviously won't convince you in that regard.  There are some
pros and cons as with anything, and I feel the cons outweight the pros
(namely that users of code should be able to use how they want, even if it
means shooting themselves in the foot; and the fact that priv somewhat
breaks the dynamics of python)

Even if your proposal were to go through, you are looking at probably 2
years before it can even be used.  Python3 is basically in freeze mode, and
it contains the biggest change in python syntax for a long time.  I know it
doesn't seem like a big change to you to add a priv keyword, but python very
rarely adds keywords, so it's a long shot merely for that reason.  This is
something that potentially would be under consideration for something like
3.2 or higher I think, so if you want to get the job done now, this topic or
trying to convince other long time python users isn't going to accomplish
your goals.

Leading underscore takes two keystrokes to type (shift, _) while priv,
private, etc takes many more.  If you are too lazy to type "_var" then how
come you aren't too lazy to type "priv var"?  Too me it seems like more
typing.  If the primary objection to leading underscores is looks, it seems
like you unnecesarily avoid them for a pointless reason.  There are ugly
aspects to every language, and there isn't really a better convention to use
that I can see.  Without of course implementing keywords, which are
conceptually difficult to think about in terms of python object model -
although you might be able to come up with a way.  But if you have a better
naming convention or strategy that you want to try on your code, nothing is
stopping you.

You can use one of the hacks found in this thread, or come up with your own
hack, to more or less accomplish what you want.  It should take 30 minutes
or less to set up, and you are done with it.  The internals of python make
it difficult to do more than that, but you are welcome to create your own
python fork if you think you are up to it.  Although I think that would be
more than 30 minutes of work.

And feel free to try other languages.  No one claimed python is the best for
every circumstance.  Well, if someone claimed that they are just fooling
themselves.  Python is a good hacker language that scales pretty well into
enterprise and web services; and can be used for other things as well.  I
don't believe that data prevention (we aren't really talking about just
hiding here) is necessary for 99% of tasks, but other people think
differently, so there are plenty of languages that implement these features.

Good luck finding a solution to fit your project.  However I don't think
trying to get a "priv" keyword into official python is feasable unless you
want to wait a very long time and go hoarse from shouting :)
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/attachments/20080610/0378818f/attachment.html>


More information about the Python-list mailing list