Python-URL! - weekly Python news and links (Nov 17)

George Sakkis george.sakkis at
Mon Nov 17 19:17:37 CET 2008

On Nov 17, 12:44 pm, ru... at wrote:
> On Nov 17, 8:54 am, "Gabriel Genellina" <python-... at>
> wrote:
> >     Candidate to *Longest and Most Boring Thread of the Year* - started
> >     more than a month ago, currently discussing "The official definition
> >     of call-by-value", and "What't the value of an object":
> >
> Nice.  The Python Reference defines objects, the core concept
> of Python, as id, type, and value, and then leaves one clueless
> about what a value is, and several notable Python contributors
> declare the subject boring.
> I guess this goes a long way to explaining why the Python docs
> suck so badly in many areas.

No, this goes a long way to explain why you don't need a PhD in
denotational semantics or ontology to use Python effectively. The
current discussion on that thread may be interesting to language
lawyers and philosophers but it's pretty much irrelevant in
understanding how Python works.


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