Relative Imports, why the hell is it so hard?

Terry Reedy tjreedy at
Wed Apr 1 02:04:28 CEST 2009

Kay Schluehr wrote:
> On 31 Mrz., 20:50, Terry Reedy <tjre... at> wrote:

>>> Although the ceremony has been performed
>>> basically correct the interpreter god is not pacified and doesn't
>>> respond.
>> But the import 'ceremony' has not been performed.
> There is no import ceremony. Imports are just stated in the source.
> There is a package ceremony for whatever reasons.

Sorry, I have no idea what 'package ceremony' means.

>>> But why not? Because it looks up for *living* imported
>>> packages in the module cache ( in sys.modules ).
>>> I don't think there is any particular design idea behind it. The
>>> module cache is just a simple flat dictionary; a no-brainer to
>>> implement and efficient for look ups.
>> This all dates to the time before packages and imports from zip files
>> and such.
>>  > But it counteracts a domain model.
>> What is that?
> Object oriented programming.

Domain model == oop?  New one for me.

>>> All you are left with is those Finders, Loaders and Importers
>>> in Brett Cannons importlib. Everything remains deeply mysterious and I
>>> don't wonder that it took long for him to work this out.
>> And your proposal is?
> I have still more questions than answers.

OK.  I will just note that import statements are syntactic sugar for 
__import__ calls and name bindings.  One could try out other import 
schemes, just without the sugar.


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