Need help with Python scoping rules

Jean-Michel Pichavant jeanmichel at
Thu Aug 27 13:45:00 CEST 2009

kj wrote:
> I think I understand the answers well enough.  What I *really*
> don't understand is why this particular "feature" of Python (i.e.
> that functions defined within a class statement are forbidden from
> "seeing" other identifiers defined within the class statement) is
> generally considered to be perfectly OK.  IMO it's a bizarre,
> inexplicable blindspot (which, among other things, gives rise to
> a certain worry about what other similar craziness lurks under
> Python's image of rationality).  I have never seen even a half-hearted
> justification, from a language design point of view, for why this
> particular "feature" is worth having.  Maybe some day the BDFL will
> deign to give one.
> kynn

I think I got your point.
I guess many people may not be receptive to your question, cause guess 
what, we're all python fans :o)


a = 5
b = a # works fine

class A:
    c = 5
    d = c # broken
    d = A.c # broken either
    def foo(self):
       e = 5
       f = e  #works fine

We should all acknowledge that any newcomer to python will not expect 
such behavior. There are plenty of good answers to that thread 
explaining why the fact that classes are not scopes is much better. 
Still this design fails at one point : insight.
It may be solved by creating the class upon the "class" statement. If 
the class A object is created, then c is added as a property of that 
object, there's no problem accession one object property with A.c.


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