Why not Ruby?

Tim Greer tim at burlyhost.com
Thu Jan 1 19:18:54 EST 2009


Richard Riley wrote:

> Tim Greer <tim at burlyhost.com> writes:
> 
>> Richard Riley wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> Tim Greer <tim at burlyhost.com> writes:
>>> 
>>>> Giampaolo Rodola' wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is not a Ruby group.
>>>>> I recommend you to go waste your time there.
>>>>
>>>> That poster has a frequent habit of cross posting to multiple,
>>>> irrelevant news groups.  There's no rhyme or reason to it.  It's
>>>> best to just filter the guy's posts.
>>> 
>>> No rhyme nor reason? It's quite clear, to me, why.
>>> 
>>> How is a comparison article not relevant when he is trying to
>>> stimulate discussion about alternative languages for modern
>>> development? Most news readers feature a kill thread command if you
>>> are not interested in the content. Certainly less extreme or
>>> ignorant than killing all posts from someone who clearly has
>>> interesting things to say about development practises and tools.
>>
>> Don't get so wound up because people in groups he cross posts this
>> junk
> 
> 
> Wound up?

Yes, I'd say that accusing people of bring ignorant and attacking them
for not sharing your view on the irrelevant cross posting and trolling
of the Xah poster, is indeed an indication that you appear to be wound
up.  Perhaps you've not seen the posts and threads he's made that I've
seen?  Perhaps I've not seen the one's you have?  Either way, the one's
I have, have all been either self serving garbage about his own
personal feelings that he attempts to covey as fact with his
overbearing arrogance, or it's simply to attack others for not sharing
his view.  I find that ironic.  He attacks others, acting belligerent,
and you attack those that simply say he's better ignored.

> I am not wound up in any shape or form.

Then convey that in your attitude when replying to others you don't know
anything about, and try and be civil and not accuse people you don't
know.

> I am suggesting the  
> opposite.

Suggesting it by doing exactly what you're saying people should not do?

> It seems you are the one a little wound up.

Nope, I responded to your attempts to provoke an issue, when you accused
myself and others of being "ignorant" for not sharing your view
regarding the Xah poster.

> So wound up in  
> fact you are taking it on yourself to tell people who they should or
> should not read.

A suggestion is not an instruction or demand.  You listed reasons why
you believed those that didn't agree with you were wrong and ignorant,
and I listed reasons in response to your claim to dispute it.


>> to actually don't want to see it.  This poster is hardly interesting
>> or
>> offering anything intelligent.  This poster has a history of posting
>> things that he is personally interested in arguing about, and posting
>> it in groups that are not about the languages he chooses to complain
>> about.  There is no rhyme or reason to post in the Perl news group,
>> for
> 
> You dont seem to think that a comparison article is relevant in the
> groups dedicated to the languages he compares too?

No.  Not when it's just his own feelings about the languages.  A lot of
people have their personal feelings about various languages, imagine
all of the pollution we'd see if everyone was as arrogant as this guy,
all posting their views as if they are the authority on the matter? 
Again, going by that deduction, what do you suppose explains his
failure to consider posting this in the ruby group itself, since that
is the primary (and actually, only) relevant group (dismissing his
personal views)?

> OK. I do.

If you do, that's fine.  However, many people in the Perl group, which
I'm seeing this thread, have voiced their issues with this poster's
relentless postings of this nature.  I did as well, in this new thread.

> You are,  
> of course, welcome to your opinion and I certainly would not tell you
> who to read or not read.

I can appreciate that, and I didn't tell you to do anything though, now
did I?

> I would suggest that not everyone woul agree 
> with you and that telling people who to killfile is not at all
> constructive.

Of course I don't expect everyone to agree with me.  The poster that
replied displayed annoyance at seeing the off topic, self serving and
trollish post that this Xah poster is known for (at least in this
group), and in response to *that*, I had suggested they don't take him
seriously, and this is "what he does" (in my experience).  There's no
reason to read more into it and start claiming people are ignorant for
not agreeing with you.  And, I think it's perfectly constructive to
advise someone that this isn't abnormal, and for future reference, to
consider such an option if they are too annoyed by it.

>> example, if you're complaining about Ruby.  This is not even close to
>> the first time this has happened, much like his relentless posts
>> about Mathematica (again, cross posted to several groups, including
>> Perl). This user has a specific bias and is trolling to get a rise
>> out of people by picking random languages and trying to cut them
>> down, claiming *his* opinions (based on lack of insights, ironically)
>> are
>> superior.  He does this often, and always cross posts to several
>> groups that are completely irrelevant to his argument.
> 
> You clearly have a personal issue with Xah Lee.

Not at all.  It's not personal.  It's a simple observation and opinion
based on my experience seeing his cross posting trolling over the last
few weeks.  I didn't accuse you of having a personal issue with me for
not agreeing with my opinion and methods, so perhaps you can consider
the gesture of not making such accusations.  They aren't true or
relevant.  Yeah, I verbalized (textualized) my displeasure with his
tactics, but that's the end of the matter, really.

> Possibly it is better 
> you killfile him or your spring will over wind :-;

Uh huh.
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