Meta question: disappearing posts (was Re: calculating a self.value, self.randomnum = normalvariate(x, y))

Terry Reedy tjreedy at
Sun Jun 21 16:16:10 EDT 2009

Piet van Oostrum wrote:
> I notice that I see several postings on news:comp.lang.python that are
> replies to other postings that I don't see. Examples are the postings by
> Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed at> that I am replying to (but I
> break the thread on purpose). For example the posting with Message-ID:
> <mailman.1883.1245538633.8015.python-list at> references:
> <77e831100906192220y5536d9d2oe5ca2dcc59084c0c at> which is
> not present on my news server. I have been wondering why these
> disappear, and I noticed the following in the Dennis Lee Bieber posting: 
> On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:48:21 -0600, Vincent Davis
> <vincent at> declaimed the following in
> gmane.comp.python.general:
> So apparently some of these come through gmane.comp.python.general.

I am posting and reading thru gmane and generally see no problem. 
Sometimes I do see replies before the posting being replied.

Sometimes certain posts get 'echoed' about week after the original 
posting date.  If a reply gets echoed, but not the original, and one 
missed both originally, that can look weird.


> So my question is: would this be the cause of these disappearing
> postings? Are postings on gmane.comp.python.general not relayed to
> comp.lang.python? Are they relayed to the python mailing list? I find it
> quite disturbing that sometimes only half of a discussion is visible.

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