Does turtle graphics have the wrong associations?

Jonathan Campbell at
Fri Nov 13 15:54:37 CET 2009

Alf P. Steinbach wrote:
> One reaction to <url: <url: 
>> has been that turtle 
> graphics may be off-putting to some readers because it is associated 
> with children's learning.

Incidentally ... something you may wish to consider for inclusion in you 
book ... games programming and Pygame.

See, e.g.,

Andy Harris, Game Programming (L Line: The Express Line to Learning), 
John Wiley & Sons, 2007, ISBN-10: 0470068221 or

Will McGugan, Beginning Game Development with Python and Pygame : From 
Novice to Professional, APRESS, 2007, ISBN-10: 1590598725.

I have the impression that there are many young people who could learn 
programming via games programming. On the other hand, in languages like 
C++ or Java, the threshold to games programming is extremely high.

Not so using Pygame.

The additional nice thing about Pygame is that it is based on a Python 
binding of SDL (Simple DirectMedia Layer) an open-source games API. This 
could mean easy migration to C++ games programming (using SDL).

Best regards,

Jon C.

Jonathan Campbell BT48, UK.

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