sorting ascending/descending with operator.attrgetter
steve at holdenweb.com
Thu Apr 1 01:50:02 EDT 2010
Patrick Maupin wrote:
> On Mar 31, 11:28 pm, Steven D'Aprano
> <ste... at REMOVE.THIS.cybersource.com.au> wrote:
>> I wouldn't so much say "literal" as "precise".
> Being precise in your own words is an admirable trait. Asking others
> to be more precise can be done politely when necessary, but in this
> case it obviously wasn't necessary, since even you, who deliberately
> misinterpret everything I write, knew that I was really talking about
>> If you think I'm pedantic, you should see some of the guys I work
> I can well imagine that everybody who has to work with you thoroughly
> enjoys proving you wrong as often as possible.
I am glad I wasn't drinking when I read this. Liquid in one's nose is so
> I would expect they are probably much gentler to each other in your
> absence. OTOH, if I am wrong, I certainly wouldn't last long there
> -- I've left less poisonous workplaces for less cause.
>> I'm frequently on the receiving end of technical corrections. Yes,
>> it's annoying to be in full flow explaining something, only to have
>> somebody point out that you've made a silly mistake, or totally got
>> something wrong, or what you've been calling a NAT device
>> (including to the client) for a week is actually a NAS device
>> *cough*. Annoying or not, if somebody had corrected me earlier, I
>> wouldn't have looked quite so ignorant for quite so long, so all
>> things considered I'd prefer to have my mistakes pointed out so I
>> can stop making them.
> There is a (not very subtle) difference between saying "Oh, you meant
> a list, not a string" (especially when the context was a discussion
> of list processing), and printing a traceback for something that
> nobody was discussing, based on a single word slip.
>>> It's a geek thing.
>> Heavens, geeks on a programming forum! Who could possibly have
>> expected such a thing?
> Mr. Holden was being unfailingly polite, in trying to point out that
> many individuals who have a reasonably high intellect, yet zero
> social skills, will gravitate toward technical fields. When he was
> asking you to admit that you "tend toward the literal" (which
> naturally you refused to do) I think he may have been trying to
> gently explain that introspection is not just for Python anymore.
Nicely put (though I have to question the accuracy of "unfailingly
polite" if it was intended as a generic description of my behavior.
I guess we have to value the good that's in Steven (few would deny that
he *is* technically very competent) and try and ignore his more annoying
I have toyed many times with the idea of giving a presentation at PyCon
called something like "Humanity 101". It would include such advice as
"When I say 'use soap' I am not talking about the Simple Object Access
Protocol" and "Being wrong is usually survivable; offending a homicidal
maniac often isn't".
Perhaps I should just add it to the Holden Web course schedule?
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