Modifying Class Object

Steve Howell showell30 at
Sun Feb 14 08:45:47 CET 2010

On Feb 13, 11:21 pm, Steven D'Aprano <st... at REMOVE-THIS-> wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 21:33:50 -0800, Steve Howell wrote:
> > You seem to be missing the point that "curly braces" is a concrete
> > term that very specifically applies to spelling.
> And you seem to be missing the point that "pointer" is also a concrete
> term that very specifically applies to, well, pointers.

The term "pointer" is very abstract.  Please give me a concrete
definition of a pointer.

A curly brace is one of these: { }

Pretty concrete, I hope.

> [...]
> > I agree that "reference" is a much better term than "pointer.". It has
> > the right amount of generalness in my opinion. I think "violence" is a
> > bit overstated, but your bigger point is well taken and it seems like
> > "reference" is useful middle ground between pure cpython language and
> > misrepresentative analogy.
> But reference also has a concrete meaning: C++ has a type explicitly
> called "reference":

Of course, "reference" has concrete meanings in specific contexts.
But I can refer you to much more general and abstract uses of the term
"reference."  Do you want references?   I will be happy to refer you
to appropriate references.

> And of course call-by-reference (or pass-by-reference) has a specific,
> technical meaning.

Which is what?

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