# Slicing [N::-1]

Gary Herron gherron at islandtraining.com
Sat Mar 6 04:05:20 CET 2010

```Mensanator wrote:
> On Mar 5, 6:34 pm, Gary Herron <gher... at islandtraining.com> wrote:
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>> Mensanator wrote:
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>>> On Mar 5, 3:42 pm, Gary Herron <gher... at islandtraining.com> wrote:
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>>>> Mensanator wrote:
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>>>>> The only way to get a 0 from a reverse range() is to have a bound of
>>>>> -1.
>>>>>
>>>> Not quite.  An empty second bound goes all the way to the zero index:
>>>>
>>> Not the same thing. You're using the bounds of the slice index.
>>> I was refering to the bounds of the range() function.
>>>
>>>>>> for a in range(9,-9,-1):print(a,end=' ')
>>>>>>
>>> 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 -1 -2 -3 -4 -5 -6 -7 -8
>>>
>>> To get that to stop at 0, you use a -1 as the bounds:
>>>
>>>>>> for a in range(9,-1,-1):print(a,end=' ')
>>>>>>
>>> 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0
>>>
>>> Your slice notation only works if the last (first?) number in
>>> the range happens to be 0. What if the range bounds were variables?
>>> You may still want to force the range's last number to be 0 by
>>> using a constant like range(a,-1,-1) rather than just take
>>> the last number of range(a,b,-1) by using slice notation.
>>>
>> All true  and valid of course, but I was just contridicting the "the
>> ONLY way to get a 0" (emphasis mine) part of the statement.
>>
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> Does it still contradict if you do not use the '::' as the OP
> requested?
>

Not to my knowledge...  I believe your statement is true in all cases
which explicitly state the stop value.

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>>>>  >>> range(9)[2::-1]
>>>> [2, 1, 0]
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