The end to all language wars and the great unity API to come!

Ben Finney ben+python at
Thu Jul 7 01:10:56 EDT 2011

Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed at> writes:

> On Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:01:57 -0500, Andrew Berg
> <bahamutzero8825 at> declaimed the following in
> gmane.comp.python.general:
> > On 2011.07.05 01:14 PM, sal migondis wrote:
> > > How could a belief be wrong?

> > Beliefs aren't subjective. One's taste in music, for example, is
> > largely subjective and can't be right or wrong, but a belief (which
> > has to do with facts) certainly can be.
> 	Pardon????

By “has to do with facts”, I understand Andrew to be saying that a
belief is *about* facts. That is, a belief is the position that a
factual claim is true.

> 	Most "beliefs" that I've encountered do their best to ignore any
> facts that contradict the belief.

You seem to be ignoring beliefs that are not usually held dogmatically:
that the sun will rise tomorrow, that the newspaper article one is
reading is likely true, that one's lunch is not poison, etc.

These are distinct from so-called “beliefs” that are really opinions:
that my daughter is the loveliest in the world, that wasabi is horrible,

> "Facts" imply testable evidence, hypotheses, eventual theorems...

I'd say facts are claims about reality which have been independently
verified to be true. Beliefs that are about facts are thereby correct or

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