Spamming PyPI with stupid packages
tony.pelletier at gmail.com
Tue Jan 3 21:50:05 EST 2012
Honestly, is this list really what this is all about? I'm bored already...
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Ben Finney <ben+python at benfinney.id.au>wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python at pearwood.info> writes:
> > On Wed, 04 Jan 2012 12:54:09 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> > > It objectifies women.
> > So you claim.
> I'm sure you have a hundred ready rationalisations for why a joke that
> has “girlfriend” as a fungible object, together with “car” and “house”
> as things to mechanically import into one's life, is somehow not
> objectifying women.
> But, while those rationalisations may satisfy you, I'm not interested in
> hearing them. If you don't see that the joke objectifies women, that
> tells me quite a lot about how blinkered you are to the problem.
> For what it's worth, I'm very familiar with such rationalisations,
> having employed them many times myself. Fortunately there are women who
> will speak up against it and encourage men to do the same
> > Since you can't or won't persuade me (and anyone else reading) that
> > this sort of joke is harmful, does that mean that you will stop
> > claiming that it is harmful?
> I have no idea what it would take to persuade you in particular. I do
> know that the combined privileges of being white, male, not-poor, and
> English-fluent (and many more privileges, I'm sure) grant both of us the
> luxury of barely even perceiving the harm done by a pervasive atmosphere
> of even low-level prejudice against any given group of people.
> Women (to return to the people in question), on the other hand, do not
> have that luxury. In this community they have no option but to be aware
> of the privileges we males have here.
> We have very effective cognitive blinders, merely because we have never
> needed to know what it's like being a woman in this prevalently-male
> field. The onus is on us to try hard to see, despite those blinders and
> easy rationalisations, that there is a lot we allow from our fellows
> which is perpetuating a hostile environment.
> I'm not making a fuss about one sexist joke, which has already been
> retracted by its author. I'm making a fuss about allowing and, worse,
> defending such jokes as a tacitly-accepted norm of our community. And I
> hope those of us who prefer to think of ourselves as not-sexist will act
> to clean up our house more.
> \ “A hundred times every day I remind myself that […] I must |
> `\ exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have |
> _o__) received and am still receiving” —Albert Einstein |
> Ben Finney
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