Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly

Ned Batchelder ned at
Mon Dec 2 22:44:03 CET 2013

On 12/2/13 3:45 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 02/12/2013 20:26, Terry Reedy wrote:
>> On 12/2/2013 10:45 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>>> the worst loser in the world
>> Mark, I consider your continual direct personal attacks on other posters
>> to be a violation of the PSF Code of Conduct, which *does* apply to
>> python-list. Please stop.
> The attacks that "Joseph McCarthy" has been launching on the core
> developers for the last 15 months are in my view now perfectly
> acceptable.  This is excellent news.  Everybody can now say what they
> like about the core developers and there's no comeback.
> You can also stuff the code of conduct, it's quite clearly only brought
> into play when it suits.  Never, ever aim it at somebody who goes out of
> their way to stir things up, always target it at the people who fight
> back *IS THE RULE HERE*.

The point is that in this thread, no one was making attacks on core 
developers.  You were bringing up old animosity here for no reason at 
all, and making them personal attacks to boot.

I don't see how you think wxjmfauth was "going out of his way to stir 
things up" in *this* thread.  He made three comments, none of which 
mentioned the FSR or any other controversial topic.  Can't we respond to 
the content of posts, and not to past offenses by the poster?

Additionally, wxjmfauth's past complaints about the flexible string 
representation were not personal.  He didn't say, "Joe Smith is the 
worst loser in the world for writing the FSR".  He complained about a 
feature of CPython, baselessly, but he never attacked the people doing 
the work.  His continued complaints were aggravating, I agree. I don't 
know that they rose to the level of "disrespectful".

I know that your behavior here is disrespectful.

As to when the code of conduct is brought up, it's only fairly recently 
that it has been mentioned in this forum.  There have clearly been posts 
in recent memory (the last year) which could have been examined in light 
of the code of conduct, and were not. I think we are using it more 
uniformly now. You helped me realize better how to apply it to this 
forum, and I thank you for that.  I welcome your help in applying it 
better still.  But it applies to you as well and I don't think it's too 
much to ask that you abide by it.

The way to improve this list is to respectfully point to and demonstrate 
community norms and ask people to conform to them.  Spewing vitriol 
isn't going to fix anything.


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