Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly

Mark Lawrence breamoreboy at
Mon Dec 2 23:32:09 CET 2013

On 02/12/2013 22:24, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> On 12/2/13 4:44 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>> On 12/2/13 3:45 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>>> On 02/12/2013 20:26, Terry Reedy wrote:
>>>> On 12/2/2013 10:45 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>>>>> the worst loser in the world
>>>> Mark, I consider your continual direct personal attacks on other
>>>> posters
>>>> to be a violation of the PSF Code of Conduct, which *does* apply to
>>>> python-list. Please stop.
>>> The attacks that "Joseph McCarthy" has been launching on the core
>>> developers for the last 15 months are in my view now perfectly
>>> acceptable.  This is excellent news.  Everybody can now say what they
>>> like about the core developers and there's no comeback.
>>> You can also stuff the code of conduct, it's quite clearly only brought
>>> into play when it suits.  Never, ever aim it at somebody who goes out of
>>> their way to stir things up, always target it at the people who fight
>>> back *IS THE RULE HERE*.
>> The point is that in this thread, no one was making attacks on core
>> developers.  You were bringing up old animosity here for no reason at
>> all, and making them personal attacks to boot.
>> I don't see how you think wxjmfauth was "going out of his way to stir
>> things up" in *this* thread.  He made three comments, none of which
>> mentioned the FSR or any other controversial topic.  Can't we respond to
>> the content of posts, and not to past offenses by the poster?
>> Additionally, wxjmfauth's past complaints about the flexible string
>> representation were not personal.  He didn't say, "Joe Smith is the
>> worst loser in the world for writing the FSR".  He complained about a
>> feature of CPython, baselessly, but he never attacked the people doing
>> the work.  His continued complaints were aggravating, I agree. I don't
>> know that they rose to the level of "disrespectful".
>> I know that your behavior here is disrespectful.
>> As to when the code of conduct is brought up, it's only fairly recently
>> that it has been mentioned in this forum.  There have clearly been posts
>> in recent memory (the last year) which could have been examined in light
>> of the code of conduct, and were not. I think we are using it more
>> uniformly now. You helped me realize better how to apply it to this
>> forum, and I thank you for that.  I welcome your help in applying it
>> better still.  But it applies to you as well and I don't think it's too
>> much to ask that you abide by it.
>> The way to improve this list is to respectfully point to and demonstrate
>> community norms and ask people to conform to them.  Spewing vitriol
>> isn't going to fix anything.
>> --Ned.
> BTW: I think Mark has kill-filed me, so if anyone agrees enough with me
> here to want Mark to see it, someone else will have to respond before he
> gets the text.
> --Ned.

I've kill-filed you on my personnal email address which I asked you 
specifically *NOT* to message me on.  You completely ignored that 
request.  FTR you're only the second person I've ever done that to, the 
other being a pot smoking hippy who thankfully hasn't been seen for years.

My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask 
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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