Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly

Ned Batchelder ned at
Mon Dec 2 23:53:28 CET 2013

On 12/2/13 5:32 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 02/12/2013 22:24, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>> On 12/2/13 4:44 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote:
>>> On 12/2/13 3:45 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>>>> On 02/12/2013 20:26, Terry Reedy wrote:
>>>>> On 12/2/2013 10:45 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>>>>>> the worst loser in the world
>>>>> Mark, I consider your continual direct personal attacks on other
>>>>> posters
>>>>> to be a violation of the PSF Code of Conduct, which *does* apply to
>>>>> python-list. Please stop.
>>>> The attacks that "Joseph McCarthy" has been launching on the core
>>>> developers for the last 15 months are in my view now perfectly
>>>> acceptable.  This is excellent news.  Everybody can now say what they
>>>> like about the core developers and there's no comeback.
>>>> You can also stuff the code of conduct, it's quite clearly only brought
>>>> into play when it suits.  Never, ever aim it at somebody who goes
>>>> out of
>>>> their way to stir things up, always target it at the people who fight
>>>> back *IS THE RULE HERE*.
>>> The point is that in this thread, no one was making attacks on core
>>> developers.  You were bringing up old animosity here for no reason at
>>> all, and making them personal attacks to boot.
>>> I don't see how you think wxjmfauth was "going out of his way to stir
>>> things up" in *this* thread.  He made three comments, none of which
>>> mentioned the FSR or any other controversial topic.  Can't we respond to
>>> the content of posts, and not to past offenses by the poster?
>>> Additionally, wxjmfauth's past complaints about the flexible string
>>> representation were not personal.  He didn't say, "Joe Smith is the
>>> worst loser in the world for writing the FSR".  He complained about a
>>> feature of CPython, baselessly, but he never attacked the people doing
>>> the work.  His continued complaints were aggravating, I agree. I don't
>>> know that they rose to the level of "disrespectful".
>>> I know that your behavior here is disrespectful.
>>> As to when the code of conduct is brought up, it's only fairly recently
>>> that it has been mentioned in this forum.  There have clearly been posts
>>> in recent memory (the last year) which could have been examined in light
>>> of the code of conduct, and were not. I think we are using it more
>>> uniformly now. You helped me realize better how to apply it to this
>>> forum, and I thank you for that.  I welcome your help in applying it
>>> better still.  But it applies to you as well and I don't think it's too
>>> much to ask that you abide by it.
>>> The way to improve this list is to respectfully point to and demonstrate
>>> community norms and ask people to conform to them.  Spewing vitriol
>>> isn't going to fix anything.
>>> --Ned.
>> BTW: I think Mark has kill-filed me, so if anyone agrees enough with me
>> here to want Mark to see it, someone else will have to respond before he
>> gets the text.
>> --Ned.
> I've kill-filed you on my personnal email address which I asked you
> specifically *NOT* to message me on.  You completely ignored that
> request.  FTR you're only the second person I've ever done that to, the
> other being a pot smoking hippy who thankfully hasn't been seen for years.

Yes, I've apologized for that faux pas. I hope that you can forgive me. 
  Someday I hope to understand why it angered you so much.  Good to hear 
that we can communicate here.


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