Meta Fight About Posting (was: python programming help)

Travis Griggs travisgriggs at
Mon Dec 9 16:44:08 CET 2013

On Dec 9, 2013, at 1:34 AM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy at> wrote:

> On 09/12/2013 05:07, rurpy at wrote:
>> On 12/08/2013 05:27 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
>>> On 09/12/2013 00:08, rurpy at wrote:
>>>> On 12/08/2013 12:17 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 6:06 AM,  <rafaellasav at> wrote:>[...]
>>> [...]
>>> To the OP, please ignore the above, it's sheer, unadulterated rubbish.
>>> Nobody has ever been bullied into doing anything.  People have however
>>> been asked repeatedly to either A) use the link referenced above to
>>> avoid sending double spaced crap here from the inferior google groups
>>> product or B) use an alternative technology that doesn't send double
>>> spaced crap.
>> Mark, I appreciate your calm and reasonable requests for people
>> to checkout the page you gave a link to, that's why I repeated
>> your advice.  It is also why I responded to Chris and not to you.
>> However it does not change the fact that people here have responded
>> in rather extreme way to GG posts including calling GG users "twits"
>> and claiming GG posts damage their eyesight, as well as repeatedly
>> denying the obvious fact that GG is much easier to use for many than
>> to subscribe to a usenet provider or to a mailing list.  One frequently
>> sees words like "crap", "slimy", "rubbish" etc to describe GG posts
>> which is pretty intimating to people who just want some help with a
>> python question using a tool they already know how to use and have
>> had no complaints about in other places.
> Well you can ask iMath, amongst others, not to send double spaced google nonsense.  They've been asked repeatedly, politely, but apparently have no consideration at all for people who have no interest in seeing this ill formed dross spread throughout web land.

As long as we’re in full scale rant drift, I’d like to remind others of the time honored tradition of changing the post subject, when, er, uh, the subject changes. Because this obviously is not "programming help" anymore.

The python mailing list is the only one I know of that is cross posted between 3 different technologies. Maybe it’s an outgrowth of the “multi paradigm” philosophy of python or something.

It would be an interesting experiment, to shut down the cross forum replication engines for a month. Personally, I think they should each thrive, or die, on their own. If there’s enough mass on the groups to answer the occasional one off question, it’ll go on, indifferent of the existence of the mailing list. Comp.lang.python can truly become a troll haven. :) And the mailing list can be for the more thorough threads, or something.

If you’re worried about “fragmentation”… these weekly rants seem to indicate it’s happened anyway, and the impedance mismatch between styles/technologies/formats is generating more heat from friction than it is contributing light to the cross-sharing. Besides, there’s nothing stopping periodic posts being sent to any of the sites saying “by the way, did you know there’s also a mailing list…”

The nice thing about doing it for a month (or so), is that it’s not a “huge disturbance in the force.”  If it stinks, you turn them back on in a month (or so).

<tongue  in=“cheek”>If you’re still not sold, and find yourself solidly in the “keep it all together” group, I propose, we embrace that idea, and set up a bi-directional engine between the IRC channel (which I’ve found very helpful often) and the mailing list. </>

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