Python Warts: The where, when, how, and why of a PyWart.
tjreedy at udel.edu
Mon Feb 18 23:31:01 CET 2013
On 2/18/2013 1:04 PM, Rick Johnson wrote:
> This thread is actually an extension (of sorts) to a thread
> started by "Anatoly tecktonik" back in December 2012; posted on
> the python-ideas mailing list; titled: "Documenting Python
> warts on Stack Overflow".
This was a threat to abuse StackOverflow with off-topic posts if 'we'
did not pay him more attention.
> I don't feel that python-ideas was the proper location to
> discuss this issue (and neither did the BDFL)
Correct. I said so first, though Guido saying so later had more effect ;=(.
I also said that the post was obnoxious and best ignored. You dirty
yourself by associating yourself with that post.
I will just briefly repeat two points:
1. we already have a searchable list of Python problems -- the tracker;
2. everything that Anatoly complained about has already been discussed,
sometimes ad nauseum.
His real complaint is that he tends not accept and respect that other
reasonable and intelligent people disagree with him and that we develop
Python for all users, not just him.
> Anatoly, I've seen your posts on python-ideas regarding this issue
> and wanted to inquire as to your progress so far.
Anatoly has made progress in restraining his most obnoxious behaviors,
such as repeatedly re-opening closed tracker issues, and otherwise
trying to divert developer attention from issues we can and will fix* to
his pet dead issues. You would do him a disservice if you encouraged him
to regress in that respect.
However, moving his diatribes to python-list from the tracker, pydev,
and python-ideas *would* be progress, and I hope you succeed in
encouraging him to do that. I have so far failed.
*The mostly volunteer developers have closed an average of perhaps 5
issues a day for the last 2 years that I have been watching. Quite
amazing. A few are rejections of proposed enhancements or behavior
changes, but most are fixes and improvements.
> Also, you should not be surprised that many
> in the Python community do not want a searchable list of warts available;
Such a lie. Issues on the tracker are *not* removed. Neither are posts
on the mailing lists.
Rick, it is one thing to say you don't like some feature of Python -- I
am sure you don't -- and wish it to be changed -- I am sure you do. It
is really quite another to lie about people who volunteer their efforts
to improve Python. The more you do this, the most you encourage
developers to ignore python-list.
> But let's not fool ourselves, of /course/ the word "wart" is subjective!
As someone who has suffered from aggressive, objectively real warts for
at least 2 decades and probably will for the rest of my life, I do not
find the bad metaphor very amusing. I wish people would stop using it.
Terry Jan Reedy
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