Do you feel bad because of the Python docs?

Rick Johnson rantingrickjohnson at
Thu Feb 28 03:05:53 CET 2013

On Wednesday, February 27, 2013 5:25:25 PM UTC-6, alex23 wrote:
> Ranting on public forums is nothing but posturing at best, and at
> worst an attempt to blackmail-by-shame people into doing something for
> you. Same goes for calls for "the community" to "fix" things.

What you call ranting is most times people venting frustrations BECAUSE they want to help, but nobody is allowing them to be a contributing member of the community.

When someone tries to offer help, in the form of constructive criticism, and then somebody snaps at them, they then loose the will to help. I myself would love to contribute my "quite awesome" re-write of the Tkinter GUI library, but due to the friction i've encountered on this list, i am resigned to keep it to myself (at least for the time being). Which is sad because python (and python programmers) could greatly benefit from a polished Tkinter. 

Alex i can assure you, there DOES exist a very harsh attitude to outside opinions within this community. Case in point: Why should ANYBODY need to voice Python problems on various blogs around the web? I think it would be in the interest of the Python community to have these opinions voiced here, on the list, for all to discuss. 

This is why i will AGAIN mention my PyWarts list (Hypothetical at this point). We need an official place for the many problems of Python to be discussed in a fair and open manner. A place that will be open to noobs and frequented by pythonisitas (including the BDFL himself!)

 Path of a Python Issue
1. All perceived problems with python get voiced on the PyWarts list
2. After considerable discussion, and if we can widdle the problem down to a tangible bug, then a bug gets opened on the tracker.
3. Hopefully the bug will be resolved and closed ASAP.

This is a linear path of inclusion that will prompt people to participate. You and i both know we need more people working at the tracker, and there are many who want to participate, but they will never participate at the "bug tracker level" when they get nothing but friction at the "python-list level". We all need to tone down the hostility and lower the bar for those who wish to help. Neither this community nor this language can survive without a steady adoption of new members.

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