Unexpected results comparing float to Fraction
steve+comp.lang.python at pearwood.info
Mon Jul 29 22:19:58 CEST 2013
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:04:19 +0100, MRAB wrote:
> I thought that you're not meant to check for equality when using floats.
Heavens no. You're only meant to *mostly* not check for equality using
floats. As Miracle Max might say:
"It just so happens that floats are only MOSTLY inexact. There's a big
difference between mostly inexact and all inexact. Mostly inexact is
Or to be a little more serious, "never check floats for equality" is
actually pretty lousy advice. As Professor William Kahan puts it, the
word "never" makes it rank superstition.
There are three main problems with the general advice "never check floats
1) there are perfectly fine situations where you can check floats
for (in)equality without any problem, e.g.:
if x == 0.0: print "Division by zero"
else: y = 1/x # perfectly safe
2) most of the time, those giving this advice don't actually say
what you should do instead;
3) and when they do, it's often either flat-out wrong, or at least
For example, you might have been told to instead check whether your float
is less than some epsilon:
abs(x - y) < eps
But chances are you've never been given any sort of reliable,
deterministic algorithm for deciding what value eps should have. (Mostly
because there is no such algorithm!) Or for deciding when to use absolute
differences, like the above, and when to use relative differences.
Another issue: if eps is too big, you're taking distinct values and
treating them as the same, which is bad. And if eps is too small, you're
actually doing what you said you should never do, only slower.
E.g. suppose you want to check for a float which equals some value M,
I'll pick M = 2199023255552.0 semi-arbitrarily, but it could be any of
many numbers. You don't want to use equality, so you pick an epsilon:
eps = 1e-6 # seems reasonable...
and then test values like this:
M = 2199023255552.0
if abs(x - M) <= eps:
That is just a longer and slower way of calculating x == M. Why? Because
the two floats immediately adjacent to M differ by more than your epsilon:
py> M = 2199023255552.0
py> float.fromhex('0x1.0000000000001p+41') - M
py> M - float.fromhex('0x1.fffffffffffffp+40')
So in this case, any epsilon below 0.000244140625 is just wasting your
time, since it cannot possibly detect any value other than M itself. And
that critical cut-off depends on the numbers you are calculating with.
Oh, for what it's worth, I don't pretend to know how to choose an epsilon
either. I can sometimes recognise a bad epsilon, but not a good one.
Floats are *hard*.
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