# Newbie - Trying to Help a Friend

Mark Lawrence breamoreboy at yahoo.co.uk
Wed Nov 20 14:57:30 CET 2013

```On 20/11/2013 09:29, Alister wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 00:54:28 -0500, Dave Angel wrote:
>
>> On 20 Nov 2013 03:52:10 GMT, Steven D'Aprano <steve at pearwood.info>
>> wrote:
>>> 2 does count because it isn't divisible by 3. The question states,
>>> "[count] how many positive integers less than N are not divisible
>> by 2,3
>>> or 5". Two is not divisible by 3, so "not divisible by 2,3 or 5" is
>> true,
>>> so two gets counted.
>>
>>> The first number which is divisible by *all* of 2, 3 and 5 (i.e.
>> fails
>>> the test, and therefore doesn't get counted) is 30. The next few
>> that
>>> fail the test are 60, 90, 120, 150, 180, 210, 240, 270, 300, ...
>>> Remember, these are the numbers which should not be counted.
>>
>>>> I count 1, not 6
>>
>>> Out of curiosity, which number did you count?
>>
>> 1 of course. It's the only one that's not divisible by any of the
>> factors.
>>
>> Apparently we disagree about precedence and associativity in English.
>> I believe the not applies to the result of (divisible by 2, 3, or 5),
>> so I'd count 1, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23. The first nonprime would be 49.
>>
>> If I were trying to get the series you describe, I'd phrase it as
>>    "Not divisible by 2, and not divisible by 3, and not divisible by 5"
>
> This ambiguity is a great example of why teachers (and enayone else
> responsible for specifying a programming project) should take greater
> if it is to late to ask for clarification (the correct step in a real
> world case) I suggest you write 2 programs 1 for each interpretation, it
> will be good for your personal learning even if the teacher does not give
> any extra credit.
>

Ambiguity is the reason that some of the most expensive language lessons
in the world are at places like Sandhurst and West Point.  Giving
crystal clear orders, whether verbally or in writing, is considered
quite important in the military.

By the way, this is double posted and there were four identical messages
from you yesterday, finger trouble or what? :)

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Mark Lawrence

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