Don't use default Google Group client (was re:....)

Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.python at pearwood.info
Fri Oct 25 22:40:16 EDT 2013


On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 16:44:45 -0700, rurpy wrote:

> On 10/25/2013 02:05 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
>> On 10/25/2013 2:57 PM, Peter Cacioppi wrote:
>>> The default
>>> Google Group client is notoriously cruddy with quotes attribution.
>> 
>> So don't use it. Get any decent newsreader, such as Thunderbird, and
>> access the list at news.gmane.org as gmane.comp.python.general.
> 
> Peter, you can ignore Terry's "advice" if Google Groups works for you.
> There are a small number of Google haters here who seem larger due to
> their obnoxious noisiness.

There are people here who hate Google Groups but simply don't chime in. 
I'm one of them. Perhaps I should.

There are also many people who have a blanket "ignore" switch on anything 
coming from GG, not out of any personal vendetta against you, but simply 
out of self-defence. They don't say anything simply because they don't 
see the posts.


> I've been using Google Groups to post here for many years and with a
> little care it is usable without annoying anyone 

This is true, and thank you for taking that care, that is really 
appreciated.

But perhaps you should consider that although GG works for you, it 
doesn't work for many people who don't take that care. So far Peter 
Cacioppi is one of those people. He has shown no inclination that he is 
willing to take the care to communicate well according to the community 
standards here, and he has shown a distressing tendency towards snarky, 
arrogant responses to polite requests to fix his posts.


> except a few drooling
> fanatics.  All access methods have pros and cons (and I've posted here
> about many of TB numerous cons) so if the usability tradeoff favors GG
> for you (or anyone else) I recommend you not be intimidated by the
> anti-GG goon squad.

Your personal attacks are not appreciated. Why can you not accept that 
people who post using GG's defaults cause pain and difficulty to many -- 
probably the great majority -- of readers who use either the mailing list 
or the news group to read this list? Don't you think that they are 
entitled to complain when people repeatedly post double-spaced, hard to 
read messages, or set the reply address wrongly, or include no context or 
attributes, or all of the above at once?

Do you really intend to say that we have no right to complain about how 
difficult Google Groups makes it for us?



-- 
Steven



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