Newcomer Help

Gisle Vanem gvanem at
Mon Feb 10 23:13:44 CET 2014

"Walter Hughey" <wkhughey at> wrote:

> Thank you for your reply. One quick question, when
> I reply should it be replay to all or to the person who sent the emial?

When replying, the most important thing to remember is... order.

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is it such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

Get the picture now newcomer?


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> Apple does install a version of Python, normally a somewhat older version. My computer has 2.5 and 2.6 installed and I have opened 
> it and inserted code that works. I do need a way to write the code, test it, and then save a copy to turn in for the assignment. I 
> was not aware that a normal text editor would work. I shall definitely look at that later today.
> Walter
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rustom Mody" <rustompmody at>
> To: python-list at
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 11:07:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Newcomer Help
> On Monday, February 10, 2014 9:40:22 PM UTC+5:30, Walter Hughey wrote:
>> I am new to Python programming, actually new to any programming language. I sent the email below to the "python... at a 
>> few days ago. So far I have not seen a reply, actually, I have not seen anything from pythonmac in any emails although I am 
>> supposed to be a member.
>> I don't know if I am sending these to the correct place or if I am not receiving emails from the pythonmac list. I would 
>> appreciate any assistance either in how do I get to the pythonmac list or answers to the issue below. I went to the pythonmac 
>> list because I am trying to run Python 3.3 on a Mac computer.
>> Thank you,
>> Walter
>> From: "Walter Hughey" <wkhu... at>
>> To: python... at
>> Sent: Friday, February 7, 2014 11:54:49 AM
>> Subject: Newcomer Help
>> Greetings,
>> I am new at Python programming, technically a newbie at writing programming code. I have been involved in the maintenance of 
>> computers for several years and have decided to increase my knowledge and experience. I am taking a course that - although not a 
>> programming course - does require writing of code. I am trying to use Python to write the code.
>> I use a Mac computer and the first issue is getting working with Python. The computer I currently use is running Mac OS X 10.6.8, 
>> Intel Core i5 Processor, with 4GB RAM. It has Python 2.3, 2.5, and 2.6 installed by Apple. I have added Python 3.3, the version 
>> our Professor recommended. I have checked out the Python installed by Apple and can enter in code and it works, but I need to 
>> create a file, run it, and then provide it for the Professor to grade and I don't know how with the Apple installed version.
>> While reading about Python, I saw comments about the note concerning outdated software: If you are using Python from a
>> 64-bit/32-bit Python installer for Mac OS X 10.6 and later,
>> you should only use IDLE or tkinter with an updated
>> third-party Tcl/Tk 8.5, like
>> ActiveTcl 8.5
>> installed.
>> I located, downloaded and installed the recommended version of ActiveTcl When I open Idle, I see a warning that "The 
>> version of Tcl/Tk (8.5.7) in use may be unstable." I received this warning both before and after installing the software above. I 
>> open Idle, choose "New File" then most often the computer will freeze, Idle does nothing, cannot enter text into the text box, 
>> cannot close the application either with the red circle or by selecting Idle>Close Idle. As often as that, Idle freezes as soon 
>> as I open new file, and I cannot close without resorting to Force Quit.
>> I have removed and re-installed Python after downloading and installing the Tcl/Tk software and it does not help. I have seen 
>> this work fine on a Mac running Mac OS X 10.8.3. I really just need to get this working on the older version.
>> A am not only new to Python, I am new on this list and hope I have started my stay here in the correct manner!
> Hi! You have started on a clear note and are welcome here.
> I dont know anything about macs so hopefully someone else will give you
> more specific answers.
> However can you check that python interpreter runs in a shell, and that
> after starting it if you type say:
> 2 + 3 RETURN
> you get 5
> If that is the case you can still develop the way most python programmers
> develop, viz
> Write your code in a normal text editor
> Load it into the interpreter
> Check it
> Go back to the editor and continue writing/correcting the code
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