need some guidance on Python syntax smart editor for use with speech recognition

Jacob Kruger jacob at
Mon Jan 5 21:04:14 CET 2015

Eric, not really related, but, from the blind perspective, some of the 
end-users would also love to be able to define their own sets of voice 
commands, and have something like a personal assistant app handle that for 
them, instead of having to necessarily work with PC in normal ways all the 
time, and I played around with something relating to implementing the bare 
basics in a python command line app a little while ago, but, it only really 
used the windows voice recognition system/service, which meant it wasn't 
really useful from my side since the training interface for that is also 
pretty much useless to me, but anyway.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Roger Wilco wants to welcome the space janitor's closet..."

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric S. Johansson" <esj at>
To: <python-list at>
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: need some guidance on Python syntax smart editor for use with 
speech recognition

> On 1/5/2015 7:24 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Jonas Wielicki <jonas at> 
>> wrote:
>>> As a first iteration, I would try with any editor written in Python.
>>> Are you familiar with the ast[1] module? It could be worth trying to
>>> use this module and perform some kind of pattern matching on the
>>> results to recover the information.
>> An AST parse throws away a lot of information. You can't easily
>> reconstruct the original code from that; at best, you can decompile
>> the AST back into functionally-equivalent source code, but it's not
>> something you want to do as part of editing code.
> Chris is right. I looked at this and came up with the same conclusion. 
> Here's a use case that I haven't talked about yet but is part of the 
> problem of speech driven programming. I have a chunk of code that I 
> created that is exactly right but it's in the wrong place or wrong method 
> or even just the wrong environment. I need to capture it and then move it 
> to the right place.
> At first glance, this would look like a simple cut-and-paste and, 
> sometimes it is but more often it's not. Let's take the example of a 
> simple file generator. Opening the file, iterating over the input until 
> the input data transformation process runs out of data.
> This is a real common pattern and what changes are certain elements of the 
> code, variables, strings whatever but also the indentation. So putting the 
> old chunk of code into the new place requires transformation that most of 
> you guys do by hand without thinking twice. Me it's, #()@!&#$, and I use a 
> whole bunch of kill words to strip out the old data and put in the new.
> Imagine being able to rip out a piece of code, identify the substitution 
> points and the indentation adjustment levels and then being able to put in 
> that piece of code in other places and just fill in the blanks as a part 
> of the insertion dialogue.  Now this gets us to the same point I was first 
> talking about which is the ability to identify the idiom and code to 
> operate on it as an idiom. some of the stuff I've seen with snippets is 
> partly there, again it is a one-way transform.
> It seems to me that those of us with hands and those of us with broken 
> hands could use this same functionality given the right supportive user 
> interface.
> Now I've been living with this kind of idea for a while and I realize that 
> may not make sense in this abstract written description. What do I need to 
> fill in?
>> However, back when I was doing my PEP 463 research, someone suggested
>> looking into the 2to3 parser. I regretfully admit that I have yet to
>> actually do so, but it ought in theory allow source-level
>> transformations with a measure of intelligence. It's not a ready-made
>> solution by any means, but it could be a useful tool. [2]
> Good idea.
>>> Hope this helps. I find that topic pretty interesting. Is there
>>> anything I can follow to see progress on this?
>> Likewise!
>> ChrisA
> Is there any problem with keeping the conversation going here or would you 
> prefer some other way of talking about it? I've been hesitant to put my 
> work up on github because it's flailing about with also the bloody loose 
> ends because I'm trying to solve up number of problems all at the same 
> time.   The problem first being a framework where I can add speech driven 
> UI elements to an editor so I can start experimenting with a bunch of 
> these pieces.
> Another way you can help is be my hands. sometimes I just run out of hand 
> time and it takes a while for me build up enough energy so I can spend the 
> day working for money and a day working on this.
> --- eric
> -- 

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