Python is DOOMED! Again!

Mark Lawrence breamoreboy at
Sun Jan 25 00:55:31 CET 2015

On 24/01/2015 23:20, Rick Johnson wrote:
> On Saturday, January 24, 2015 at 1:49:08 AM UTC-6, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>> Rick Johnson wrote:
>> [... snip absurdities...]
>>> Duh! Do you think i just pulled stub files out my arse
>>> without giving all the other alternatives due consideration?
>> Actually, yes. I think that had Guido proclaimed that
>> C-style header files were the only way to give type hints,
>> you would be arguing right now that they were awful and
>> that the one and only correct way to do type-hinting is to
>> use annotations.
> So now we arrive at the true nature of our conflict: your
> "false projections" of my "true intentions".
> Listen, I hold a deep respect for Guido's achievements and
> his intellectual prowess, but i'm not about to kiss is
> backside when i feel he is wrong, and this "type hints" idea
> is dangerously wrong!

For at least the third time the PEP was written by three people, one of 
whom was the BDFL.  Why do you keep insisting that "he" is wrong, surely 
it should be "they" ?

> Diversity, dissension, and conflict are our friends, not
> enemies to be feared. We must embrace those ideas that are
> foreign to us, give them due consideration, and objectively
> apply "weighted values" to them. Whereas, sitting in a room
> surrounded by mirrors and becoming lost in the recursive
> "reflection of self", is not evolution, but merely, an
> illusion.
> Besides, why does he need *ME* to lick his boots when he
> already has plenty of fan-boys over at python-ideas and
> python-dev lining up. This community is *NOT*, and should
> never be, a homogeneous block -- for we would be doing
> ourselves a disservice.

A substantial number of people on both lists are perfectly happy to 
speak their mind, to the extent that Guido has been known to do u-turns. 
  Nobody has any need to lick anybody's boots, and to suggest that this 
is the case I find highly insulting to the entire Python community.

> So if you cannot provide me with respect that i *DESERVE* as
> a member of this fine community, then you should at least
> admit that my presence is a vital counterbalance to prevent
> this tiny life-vessel from capsizing as it's thrashed around
> the treacherous "seas of evolution".

You (singular) have to *EARN* respect, you do not deserve it.  If you 
were to stick to subjects that you have knowledge of, such as 
tkinter/IDLE, you would earn that respect.  Serving up dross as you do 
so often gets you nothing except plonks.

My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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