python list index - an easy question

Ben Bacarisse ben.usenet at
Mon Dec 19 08:48:01 EST 2016

BartC <bc at> writes:

> On 19/12/2016 01:10, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> BartC <bc at> writes:
>>> On 18/12/2016 10:59, Paul Götze wrote:
>>>> there is a nice short article by E. W. Dijkstra about why it makes sense
>>>> to start numbering at zero (and exclude the upper given bound) while
>>>> slicing a list. Might give a bit of additional understanding.
>>> (This from somebody who apparently can't use a typewriter?!)
>>> I don't know if the arguments there are that convincing. Both lower
>>> bounds of 0 and 1 are useful; some languages will use 0, some 1, and
>>> some can have any lower bound.
>>> But a strong argument for using 1 is that in real life things are
>>> usually counted from 1 (and measured from 0).
>> The index of an element is a measure, not a count.
> You need to take your C hat off, I think.

It's a computing hat.  Indexes are best seen as offsets (i.e. as a
measured distances from some origin or base).  It's a model that grew
out of machine addressing and assembler address modes many, many decades
ago -- long before C.  C, being a low-level language, obviously borrowed
it, but pretty much all the well-thought out high-level languages have
seen the value in it too, though I'd be interested in hearing about
counter examples.

The main issue -- of using a half open interval for a range -- is
probably less widely agreed upon, though I think it should be.  EWD is
correct about this (as about so many things).


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